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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 3962284" data-attributes="member: 5038"><p>1. NO MORE LEVEL DRAIN - Good.</p><p>2. NO MORE ABILITY DRAIN - Bad</p><p>3. NO MORE SAVE-OR-DIE - Neutral (leaning towards bad). I need more information</p><p>4. NO MORE ETHICAL ALIGNMENTS - Bad. </p><p>5. SNEAK ATTACK ON ANYTHING - Bad. Somethings should not be crittable (e.g., incorporeal)</p><p>6. FASTER GAME MECHANICS - Good unless it affects verisimilitude.</p><p>7. FASTER (N)PC CREATION - Neutral. Some of the solutions (e.g., skill consolidation), I don't like. I am also unsure about the things like elite opponents</p><p>8. NO MORE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MAGIC ITEMS - Good.</p><p>9. NO MORE (or less) VANCIAN CASTING - Good and Bad. I'm all for getting rid of Vancian, but I don't like going to per encounter. I'd prefer something along the lines of Elements of Magic (Revised or Mythic Earth) or a spell point system.</p><p>10. NO MORE SPELL SCHOOLS - Undecided. Will have to get a good look at the implementation.</p><p>11. FOCUS ITEMS - Good in theory. Will depend on the implementation.</p><p>12. SKILL SYSTEM REVAMP - Very Bad. As a DM, I wouldn't mind an optional method for creating NPCs. As a player, I dislike the consolidation. If skill points are removed, I"ll boycott 4e just like I did Star Wars: SE. </p><p></p><p>13. BASIC RACES CHANGES - Bad. I like the Elvish split. Everything else, I dislike. If anything, what I wanted them to change, they didn't. I wanted the designers to remove the non-biological features from race and introduce environmental/cultural (e.g., forest, mountain, nomad, swamp, underground) skill packages to make it easier fpr DMs to customize races for homebrews or represent a character that grew up with another race/culture.</p><p></p><p>14. RACIAL PANTHEONS GETTING THE BOOT - Good. If they are not using Greyhawk or FR as the default setting, I say goodbye to racial pantheons and don't let door hit them on the ass as they leave. I prefer to have either one creator deity or various existing deities in the pantheon as creators.</p><p>15. ELIMINATION OF PRESTIGE CLASSES - Mixed. With rare exceptions, I disliked PrCs. I preferred class variants per the phb under customizing characters. </p><p>16. EFFORT TO BALANCE FEATS - Good. </p><p>17. PARTY ROLES - DEFENDER, LEADER, ETC. - Bad</p><p>18. POINTS OF LIGHT SETTING DESIGN - Neutral.</p><p>19. LACK OF BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY - Bad.</p><p>20. NEW PALADIN SMITES- Very Bad. The one that allows you to strike an opponent and heal an ally was lame in ToB:Bo9S and still lame.</p><p>21. BLEEDING ABILITY- Very bad. Extremely lame.</p><p>22. PARAGON PATHS and EPIC DESTINIES- Need more info/leaning towards bad. They sound just as bad as PrCs.</p><p>23. Fluff for the new settings: Good. However, I felt 1e and 2e had good settings and not so great mechanics. With a lot of the new mechanics and changes, I think WOTC is heading back in this direction, but they will be saved from falling that far back by several of the underlying 3.x mechanics that they retain.</p><p>24. Removal of the Great Wheel. Good if they reintroduce the idea should they release a Greyhawk setting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 3962284, member: 5038"] 1. NO MORE LEVEL DRAIN - Good. 2. NO MORE ABILITY DRAIN - Bad 3. NO MORE SAVE-OR-DIE - Neutral (leaning towards bad). I need more information 4. NO MORE ETHICAL ALIGNMENTS - Bad. 5. SNEAK ATTACK ON ANYTHING - Bad. Somethings should not be crittable (e.g., incorporeal) 6. FASTER GAME MECHANICS - Good unless it affects verisimilitude. 7. FASTER (N)PC CREATION - Neutral. Some of the solutions (e.g., skill consolidation), I don't like. I am also unsure about the things like elite opponents 8. NO MORE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MAGIC ITEMS - Good. 9. NO MORE (or less) VANCIAN CASTING - Good and Bad. I'm all for getting rid of Vancian, but I don't like going to per encounter. I'd prefer something along the lines of Elements of Magic (Revised or Mythic Earth) or a spell point system. 10. NO MORE SPELL SCHOOLS - Undecided. Will have to get a good look at the implementation. 11. FOCUS ITEMS - Good in theory. Will depend on the implementation. 12. SKILL SYSTEM REVAMP - Very Bad. As a DM, I wouldn't mind an optional method for creating NPCs. As a player, I dislike the consolidation. If skill points are removed, I"ll boycott 4e just like I did Star Wars: SE. 13. BASIC RACES CHANGES - Bad. I like the Elvish split. Everything else, I dislike. If anything, what I wanted them to change, they didn't. I wanted the designers to remove the non-biological features from race and introduce environmental/cultural (e.g., forest, mountain, nomad, swamp, underground) skill packages to make it easier fpr DMs to customize races for homebrews or represent a character that grew up with another race/culture. 14. RACIAL PANTHEONS GETTING THE BOOT - Good. If they are not using Greyhawk or FR as the default setting, I say goodbye to racial pantheons and don't let door hit them on the ass as they leave. I prefer to have either one creator deity or various existing deities in the pantheon as creators. 15. ELIMINATION OF PRESTIGE CLASSES - Mixed. With rare exceptions, I disliked PrCs. I preferred class variants per the phb under customizing characters. 16. EFFORT TO BALANCE FEATS - Good. 17. PARTY ROLES - DEFENDER, LEADER, ETC. - Bad 18. POINTS OF LIGHT SETTING DESIGN - Neutral. 19. LACK OF BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY - Bad. 20. NEW PALADIN SMITES- Very Bad. The one that allows you to strike an opponent and heal an ally was lame in ToB:Bo9S and still lame. 21. BLEEDING ABILITY- Very bad. Extremely lame. 22. PARAGON PATHS and EPIC DESTINIES- Need more info/leaning towards bad. They sound just as bad as PrCs. 23. Fluff for the new settings: Good. However, I felt 1e and 2e had good settings and not so great mechanics. With a lot of the new mechanics and changes, I think WOTC is heading back in this direction, but they will be saved from falling that far back by several of the underlying 3.x mechanics that they retain. 24. Removal of the Great Wheel. Good if they reintroduce the idea should they release a Greyhawk setting. [/QUOTE]
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