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<blockquote data-quote="Jayouzts" data-source="post: 3965779" data-attributes="member: 21802"><p><strong>Fixing what is not broken</strong></p><p></p><p>I think the "good" vs "bad" analysis for these misses the boat. If you find the changes good, why not incorporate them into your 3E game now?</p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>NO MORE LEVEL DRAIN </strong> Fixes something that is not broken. If its a problem, why not publish an alternative rule. (They could release Unearthed Arcana II and include such rules as this). </p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>NO MORE ABILITY DRAIN </strong> Fixes something that is not a problem for me.</p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>NO MORE ETHICAL ALIGNMENTS </strong> A day late and a dollar short. I have scrapped alignment altogether. While I am glad to see WOTC moving in that direction, I am not sure it goes far enough. </p><p></p><p>What the heck, I will say GOOD. It is Christmas-time and I feel generous.</p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>SNEAK ATTACK ON ANYTHING </strong> Fixes something that is not broken. Its not unreasonable to allow it for undead. But why a new edition?</p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>FASTER GAME MECHANICS & NPC CREATION </strong> I will call this good but the devil will be in the details.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>NO MORE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MAGIC ITEMS </strong> Good, i suppose. But isn't it the DM's responsibility to keep magic items at level which he is comfortable? I do not see a need for new edition to remedy this.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>NO MORE (or less) VANCIAN CASTING </strong> Ever hear of Spell Points? We do not need a new edition to fix this problem.</p><p></p><p>[*] <strong>NO MORE SPELL SCHOOLS (bad?) FOCUS I</strong>TEMS The schools are not a problem. Focus items are nice fluff but not really needed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[*]<strong>SKILL SYSTEM REVAMP </strong> Good</p><p></p><p></p><p>[*] <strong>BASIC RACES CHANGES </strong> I wont miss the gnome. I am indifferent to the fluff changes made to the dwarf and halfling. I think Eladrin and Tieflings are boring. I would consider the Dragonborne (I allow fire newts as a PC race so the Dragonborne may not be far off - as long as they are not half-dragons).</p><p></p><p>But why do we need a new edition for these? If you want to play in a setting with Tieflings and no gnomes, release a new setting. </p><p></p><p>I do not play Forgotten Realms so I will skip those</p><p></p><p></p><p>[*]Racial Pantheons getting the boot </p><p></p><p>Indifferent. Use them if you want</p><p></p><p>[*]No introductory cost on the core books </p><p>A poor marketing decision IMHO.</p><p></p><p>[*]Core price increase on all books with all books being same price without being same page length </p><p></p><p>Again, bad idea. But it does not affect me.</p><p></p><p>[*]Playtested less then previous edition (Bad)</p><p></p><p>Excellent point. Everyone remember the 3.0 Ranger? If they didn't catch the problems with all the 3E testing they did what is getting through in 4E?</p><p></p><p>[*]Elimination of Prestige Classes (Depends on if they're actually gone or just renamed into the new paths)</p><p></p><p>I think there are too many classes, Prestige and Standard. This does not appear to be changing. Bad.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[*]Effort to actually balance feats (Good)</p><p>Good on paper but the devil is in the details.</p><p></p><p>Although 4E may be good, I do not see it being better than my houseruled version of 3.5E. If it is not BETTER, I will not buy it. And if no one wants to play 3.5 anymore, fine. I will stop playing RPG's and focus on other hobbies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jayouzts, post: 3965779, member: 21802"] [b]Fixing what is not broken[/b] I think the "good" vs "bad" analysis for these misses the boat. If you find the changes good, why not incorporate them into your 3E game now? [*][B]NO MORE LEVEL DRAIN [/B] Fixes something that is not broken. If its a problem, why not publish an alternative rule. (They could release Unearthed Arcana II and include such rules as this). [*][B]NO MORE ABILITY DRAIN [/B] Fixes something that is not a problem for me. [*][B]NO MORE ETHICAL ALIGNMENTS [/B] A day late and a dollar short. I have scrapped alignment altogether. While I am glad to see WOTC moving in that direction, I am not sure it goes far enough. What the heck, I will say GOOD. It is Christmas-time and I feel generous. [*][B]SNEAK ATTACK ON ANYTHING [/B] Fixes something that is not broken. Its not unreasonable to allow it for undead. But why a new edition? [*][B]FASTER GAME MECHANICS & NPC CREATION [/B] I will call this good but the devil will be in the details. [*][B]NO MORE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MAGIC ITEMS [/B] Good, i suppose. But isn't it the DM's responsibility to keep magic items at level which he is comfortable? I do not see a need for new edition to remedy this. [*][B]NO MORE (or less) VANCIAN CASTING [/B] Ever hear of Spell Points? We do not need a new edition to fix this problem. [*] [B]NO MORE SPELL SCHOOLS (bad?) FOCUS I[/B]TEMS The schools are not a problem. Focus items are nice fluff but not really needed. [*][B]SKILL SYSTEM REVAMP [/B] Good [*] [B]BASIC RACES CHANGES [/B] I wont miss the gnome. I am indifferent to the fluff changes made to the dwarf and halfling. I think Eladrin and Tieflings are boring. I would consider the Dragonborne (I allow fire newts as a PC race so the Dragonborne may not be far off - as long as they are not half-dragons). But why do we need a new edition for these? If you want to play in a setting with Tieflings and no gnomes, release a new setting. I do not play Forgotten Realms so I will skip those [*]Racial Pantheons getting the boot Indifferent. Use them if you want [*]No introductory cost on the core books A poor marketing decision IMHO. [*]Core price increase on all books with all books being same price without being same page length Again, bad idea. But it does not affect me. [*]Playtested less then previous edition (Bad) Excellent point. Everyone remember the 3.0 Ranger? If they didn't catch the problems with all the 3E testing they did what is getting through in 4E? [*]Elimination of Prestige Classes (Depends on if they're actually gone or just renamed into the new paths) I think there are too many classes, Prestige and Standard. This does not appear to be changing. Bad. [*]Effort to actually balance feats (Good) Good on paper but the devil is in the details. Although 4E may be good, I do not see it being better than my houseruled version of 3.5E. If it is not BETTER, I will not buy it. And if no one wants to play 3.5 anymore, fine. I will stop playing RPG's and focus on other hobbies. [/QUOTE]
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