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<blockquote data-quote="babomb" data-source="post: 3966214" data-attributes="member: 1316"><p>For the most part, I agree with OP. Some specific points:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>NO MORE LEVEL DRAIN </strong><br /> I never liked permanent level drain except in very special circumstances. Temporary level drain is great. And yes, a vampire draining levels by TOUCHING is silly. By BITING, that I'm on board with.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>NO MORE ABILITY DRAIN </strong><br /> I like the idea of ability drain, but this is kind of a pain to recalculate mid-combat, especially at higher levels. I'd usually just slapped a flat penalty to things and did real calculations later. Ok, so some of the numbers were a little off. Big deal.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>NO MORE ETHICAL ALIGNMENTS </strong><br /> I had no real problems with alignments, but I can see the reasoning behind this, as a lot of people did (or had differing definitions).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>SNEAK ATTACK ON ANYTHING </strong><br /> Making all undead immune seemed pretty silly to me. But some specific monsters, like gelatinous cubes, probably should remain immune.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>FASTER GAME MECHANICS & NPC CREATION </strong><br /> Helpful, but I rarely bothered with accurate stats, since none of the players saw 'em anyway.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>NO MORE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MAGIC ITEMS </strong><br /> Yeah.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>NO MORE (or less) VANCIAN CASTING </strong><br /> Hell yeah.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <strong>NO MORE SPELL SCHOOLS</strong> <br /> I've never really liked the way specialists worked, and some of the spells seemed oddly categorized, but spell schools are a cool concept, and I'm sad to see them go. I'll wait to see how 4e treats spells, but I'll definitely consider bringing schools back.<br /> <strong>FOCUS ITEMS</strong><br /> I'm all for encouraging wizards to carry around staves. I'm intrigued by this idea, but I lack sufficient data even to say whether I like it so far.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>SKILL SYSTEM REVAMP </strong><br /> I'm 100% on board with everything I've heard about this so far.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <strong>BASIC RACES CHANGES </strong> <br /> I never really liked gnomes, at least not as presented. I've thought about making them Tiny and more naturey, like <em>David the Gnome</em>, but I never really bothered, and it looks like 4e elves will cover the nature niche. I'm not especially happy about the gnomes being gone, but I won't miss them either; I don't really care that much.<br /> Tieflings and dragonborn are more iffy to me. Certainly with tieflings in, I expected aasimar as well. Dragonborn just seem weird to me, especially with the women having boobs. I like boobs as much as the next guy, but on lizard-like creatures? Creepy. That aside, despite the game having dragons in the title, they seem to have come a bit out of left field. Perhaps with more information about them they'll seem more interesting, but right now they seem kind of...blah.<br /> And beardless dwarf women? SEXY beardless dwarf women? The mind boggles. I kind of liked the trope, but on the other hand, more sexy women... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </li> </ol></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="babomb, post: 3966214, member: 1316"] For the most part, I agree with OP. Some specific points: [list=1] [*][B]NO MORE LEVEL DRAIN [/B] I never liked permanent level drain except in very special circumstances. Temporary level drain is great. And yes, a vampire draining levels by TOUCHING is silly. By BITING, that I'm on board with. [*][B]NO MORE ABILITY DRAIN [/B] I like the idea of ability drain, but this is kind of a pain to recalculate mid-combat, especially at higher levels. I'd usually just slapped a flat penalty to things and did real calculations later. Ok, so some of the numbers were a little off. Big deal. [*][B]NO MORE ETHICAL ALIGNMENTS [/B] I had no real problems with alignments, but I can see the reasoning behind this, as a lot of people did (or had differing definitions). [*][B]SNEAK ATTACK ON ANYTHING [/B] Making all undead immune seemed pretty silly to me. But some specific monsters, like gelatinous cubes, probably should remain immune. [*][B]FASTER GAME MECHANICS & NPC CREATION [/B] Helpful, but I rarely bothered with accurate stats, since none of the players saw 'em anyway. [*][B]NO MORE EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MAGIC ITEMS [/B] Yeah. [*][B]NO MORE (or less) VANCIAN CASTING [/B] Hell yeah. [*] [B]NO MORE SPELL SCHOOLS[/B] I've never really liked the way specialists worked, and some of the spells seemed oddly categorized, but spell schools are a cool concept, and I'm sad to see them go. I'll wait to see how 4e treats spells, but I'll definitely consider bringing schools back. [B]FOCUS ITEMS[/B] I'm all for encouraging wizards to carry around staves. I'm intrigued by this idea, but I lack sufficient data even to say whether I like it so far. [*][B]SKILL SYSTEM REVAMP [/B] I'm 100% on board with everything I've heard about this so far. [*] [B]BASIC RACES CHANGES [/B] I never really liked gnomes, at least not as presented. I've thought about making them Tiny and more naturey, like [i]David the Gnome[/i], but I never really bothered, and it looks like 4e elves will cover the nature niche. I'm not especially happy about the gnomes being gone, but I won't miss them either; I don't really care that much. Tieflings and dragonborn are more iffy to me. Certainly with tieflings in, I expected aasimar as well. Dragonborn just seem weird to me, especially with the women having boobs. I like boobs as much as the next guy, but on lizard-like creatures? Creepy. That aside, despite the game having dragons in the title, they seem to have come a bit out of left field. Perhaps with more information about them they'll seem more interesting, but right now they seem kind of...blah. And beardless dwarf women? SEXY beardless dwarf women? The mind boggles. I kind of liked the trope, but on the other hand, more sexy women... :D [/list] [/QUOTE]
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