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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 3966496" data-attributes="member: 5143">I don't think it's so much a matter of that as it is that there ARE some people who truly don't care if they can't do anything in a combat.  They believe that their role is to be bad at combat.They have ways of compensating for being bored.  Some will read or fall asleep during combat.  Some watch movies or play video games from the couch while everyone else is playing D&D.  Some just sit at the table and make jokes or talk to the person beside them about their week or their WoW character.Some don't get bored at all, they love the challenge of coming up with things outside the rules to do.  They know that the game itself gives them no chance to succeed so they'll try to invent new ways of harming the enemies.  Some DMs really love this sort of thing and will make the ideas work much better than they should in order to reward the players for thinking outside the box.  This ends up making those rogues even MORE effective in these situations than in ones where they can use their real powers.Other times the DMs see the rogue being screwed over by the adventure but they don't care.  They think that they player is obviously playing the wrong character if they want to be useful in combat and they shouldn't be stupid and choose a better class for what they want.</blockquote>