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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rallek" data-source="post: 3972319" data-attributes="member: 8463">Leugren, do you take a few levels of mage first to represent the mouser's training during which he earned his name? If so, you can use scrolls and wands and other assorted mystic goodies well before your general rogue's UMD would kick in reliably. So I'd go for using some of those toys, along with the occasional spell or two.In addition I'm going to call BS on the argument of "my character concept is X literary figure, and the base class is too weak!" in general. So all rogues are now the gray mouser, all barbarians have to be Fafhrd, but they also have to be Conan, Kull, and Beowulf. All sorcerers are Elric, and Merlin, and Harry Potter too... and so on. How does one "balance" the Gray Mouser vs. Conan, or Elric vs. Merlin? Hmmm.... how many skill points does the "Legolas" class get, and is that overpowered compared to my "Cloud Strife" damage bonus?We can't look to figures from books/movies/games, and try to model them in generic D&D. Why? Because they are from specific settings, with their own internal rules and unique tropes, and often they are mutually incompatible with other specific settings. That's why we're not talking about the unique character of the Gray Mouser, with his own setting specific rules, and history, we're talking about a generic Dungeons and Dragons rogue. Can you use that as a base to build a "Mouser" class? Absolutely, and if that's a concept that you really want to play sit down with your DM and work it out. That's the strength of D&D, by keeping it relatively generic we perserve the flexibility of individual DMs and players to make it their own in the way that best works for them. Your Gray Mouser and my Fafhrd may fit wonderfully together, and they may rock Nehwon homebrew world number 7 to its very foundations, but they might not fit so snuggly in Hyborea rip-off number 113. So why not leave the options as open as possible by keeping the class a bit more generic? Wouldn't that also qualify as "win-win"?</blockquote>

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