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<blockquote data-quote="Digital M@" data-source="post: 3972767" data-attributes="member: 13987">Fighters do nothing outside of combat.&nbsp; They have so few skill points they can do nothing, not even walk across a rope bridge on a windy day without the risk of falling to their death.&nbsp; In dungeons, I sit at the table for long periods of time as I wait for the rogue to scout ahead, search for traps, disarm traps, search rooms and move around virtually undetectable.&nbsp; It is not all sexy, but it can take so long, I would rather bash a door open, take the trap damage and keep moving.&nbsp; To me, the waiting is as tedious as buying common supplies in town after town.&nbsp; A fighter has no leadership since the skills do not support it, so they have no role for taking a lead in conversations.&nbsp; Rogues have all of the skills for leading and scouting and some great combat skills.IMO, I would be happy with extended creature list for sneak attack, but less extra damage.&nbsp; I also believe the arguments for hitting weak points in constructs for extra points and the like is very weak.&nbsp; Where the hell do you think the fighter is aiming for on a construct?&nbsp; KNowing knees are a weak point does not enable someone to do more damage.&nbsp; If the ability came at a higher level where experience and knowledge impacted it, I would enjoy it more.&nbsp; As is rogues seem the most busy character in every campaign I have ever played in.In 4E other classes can find and disarm traps, but better than the rogue?&nbsp; NO, if the party has a rogue, they will still do all the same stuff.&nbsp; People keep saying balance in and out of combat, but how do you balance all of the out of combat stuff?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Digital M@, post: 3972767, member: 13987"] Fighters do nothing outside of combat. They have so few skill points they can do nothing, not even walk across a rope bridge on a windy day without the risk of falling to their death. In dungeons, I sit at the table for long periods of time as I wait for the rogue to scout ahead, search for traps, disarm traps, search rooms and move around virtually undetectable. It is not all sexy, but it can take so long, I would rather bash a door open, take the trap damage and keep moving. To me, the waiting is as tedious as buying common supplies in town after town. A fighter has no leadership since the skills do not support it, so they have no role for taking a lead in conversations. Rogues have all of the skills for leading and scouting and some great combat skills. IMO, I would be happy with extended creature list for sneak attack, but less extra damage. I also believe the arguments for hitting weak points in constructs for extra points and the like is very weak. Where the hell do you think the fighter is aiming for on a construct? KNowing knees are a weak point does not enable someone to do more damage. If the ability came at a higher level where experience and knowledge impacted it, I would enjoy it more. As is rogues seem the most busy character in every campaign I have ever played in. In 4E other classes can find and disarm traps, but better than the rogue? NO, if the party has a rogue, they will still do all the same stuff. People keep saying balance in and out of combat, but how do you balance all of the out of combat stuff? [/QUOTE]

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