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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3973414" data-attributes="member: 15999">Not with TWF, which is a much better option for the rogue than for the fighter.In MarauderX's game, the very non-optimized Rog17/Clr3 routinely out-damages everyone else, with 8 attacks per round (6 base, Haste, Opportunist, and 4 of those at his top attack bonus) for 10d6+10 damage each.The Brb/Brd and Ftr can do powerful Leap Attacks (with Shock Trooper in the fighter's case), but that's just one attack per round.&nbsp; The arcane trickster with Disintegrate does 45d6 or so, still falling short of the rogue's normal damage.My druid can do damage to a group, but not 200+ pts to a single target like the rogue can do.The rogue also has the HP to fight in melee, and if he had Elusive Target (he has no non-core feats) he'd be even better at that.&nbsp; Figure that a Rog20 with 14 Con and a +4 Con item has about 150 hp, whereas a similar Ftr20 has about 190.&nbsp; It's not that big of a difference.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3973414, member: 15999"] Not with TWF, which is a much better option for the rogue than for the fighter. In MarauderX's game, the very non-optimized Rog17/Clr3 routinely out-damages everyone else, with 8 attacks per round (6 base, Haste, Opportunist, and 4 of those at his top attack bonus) for 10d6+10 damage each. The Brb/Brd and Ftr can do powerful Leap Attacks (with Shock Trooper in the fighter's case), but that's just one attack per round. The arcane trickster with Disintegrate does 45d6 or so, still falling short of the rogue's normal damage. My druid can do damage to a group, but not 200+ pts to a single target like the rogue can do. The rogue also has the HP to fight in melee, and if he had Elusive Target (he has no non-core feats) he'd be even better at that. Figure that a Rog20 with 14 Con and a +4 Con item has about 150 hp, whereas a similar Ftr20 has about 190. It's not that big of a difference. [/QUOTE]

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