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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3975855" data-attributes="member: 19675">Agreed 100%.&nbsp; You want to be a primary combat damage-dealing badass, play a warrior class.Rogues are, IMHO, meant to be secondary or tertiary combatants, using tactics to give his party an advantage, not accumulating a bodycount as fast as his armor-wearing, Maul weilding partymates.I have no problem with rogues having periods of merely being able to deal base weapon damage- other classes do so as well.&nbsp; My first adventure ever (back in '77) concluded with my fighter standing shoulder-to-shoulder with only the party's mage (who only had Magic Missile left) against a Purple Worm.&nbsp; I welcomed those d4s from thrown daggers and d6s he did with his staff strikes after that final spell was expended- it made the fight close enough to give me a chance.&nbsp; (The worm won, but with only 4 hp left- I never felt cheated, and that single adventure hooked me on the game, along with several of the guys who fell earlier in the game).Rogues can't SA undead?&nbsp; I'm crying!&nbsp; That means that PC Paladins &amp; Clerics (and some others) get to step to the fore.This is a &quot;problem&quot; that really didn't need a fix.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 3975855, member: 19675"] Agreed 100%. You want to be a primary combat damage-dealing badass, play a warrior class. Rogues are, IMHO, meant to be secondary or tertiary combatants, using tactics to give his party an advantage, not accumulating a bodycount as fast as his armor-wearing, Maul weilding partymates. I have no problem with rogues having periods of [B]merely[/B] being able to deal base weapon damage- other classes do so as well. My first adventure ever (back in '77) concluded with my fighter standing shoulder-to-shoulder with only the party's mage (who only had Magic Missile left) against a Purple Worm. I welcomed those d4s from thrown daggers and d6s he did with his staff strikes after that final spell was expended- it made the fight close enough to give me a chance. (The worm won, but with only 4 hp left- I never felt cheated, and that single adventure hooked me on the game, along with several of the guys who fell earlier in the game). Rogues can't SA undead? I'm crying! That means that PC Paladins & Clerics (and some others) get to step to the fore. This is a "problem" that really didn't need a fix. [/QUOTE]

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