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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3975907" data-attributes="member: 15999">The rogue you describe is a master combatant.  Therefore, I would suggest that Rog/Ftr is the proper combination to model the rogue you describe.You also have a much narrower view of the fighter than I do.I wanted to make an agile reach-weapon fighter for 3.5.  Using Tumble, taking advantage of AOOs, maybe Trip.  So I started him as a level 1 rogue.  Not because he was a thief or ever stole anything, but because that set of abilities (in particular, Tumble as a class skill) best represented the character concept.  Over time, he'd have been mostly Ftr with a couple of Rogue levels.  The character classes function best as sets of abilities, not archetypes.</blockquote>