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<blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 3976002" data-attributes="member: 10095"><p>The rogue class is about sneaky attacks (backstab, sneak attack), larcenous dealings (thief skills in 1e/2e, big focus on thief skills in 3e), and traps above all (which is why they were only ones able to do trapfinding in 1e/2e/3e). I think it's completely false when people claim rogue as the everyman class.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 2E book stuck to "historical" figures and ignored fantasy, which is why it didn't list Bilbo in there... and the class, at that time, was Thief, not Rogue, so it was actually a far tighter archetype than rogue (you steal things, otherwise you wouldn't be a thief).</p><p></p><p>Reynard the Fox is... actually a fox, apparently. Anthromorphic tales from medieval Europe. Not sure if he really fits the fantasy "rogue."</p><p></p><p>Ali Baba lived nearly 40 thieves who hid treasure in a magic cave. He learned the words to get into and out of the cave, become somewhat wealthy, lost his greedy brother to the thieves (his brother forgot the words to leave the cave), nearly got killed by one of thieves, but was saved by a slave-girl who he set free, and she married his son. Yeah, he's a thief, because he steals... but that doesn't make him the thief class.</p><p></p><p>Robin Goodfellow/Puck was a prankster and a trickster. Comic relief.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Rogue was a broadening of the class, instead of just being thief. It opened up skills a lot more (since before, you only got your thief skills), but the class retained it's fundamental character from earlier editions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Little Raven, post: 3976002, member: 10095"] The rogue class is about sneaky attacks (backstab, sneak attack), larcenous dealings (thief skills in 1e/2e, big focus on thief skills in 3e), and traps above all (which is why they were only ones able to do trapfinding in 1e/2e/3e). I think it's completely false when people claim rogue as the everyman class. The 2E book stuck to "historical" figures and ignored fantasy, which is why it didn't list Bilbo in there... and the class, at that time, was Thief, not Rogue, so it was actually a far tighter archetype than rogue (you steal things, otherwise you wouldn't be a thief). Reynard the Fox is... actually a fox, apparently. Anthromorphic tales from medieval Europe. Not sure if he really fits the fantasy "rogue." Ali Baba lived nearly 40 thieves who hid treasure in a magic cave. He learned the words to get into and out of the cave, become somewhat wealthy, lost his greedy brother to the thieves (his brother forgot the words to leave the cave), nearly got killed by one of thieves, but was saved by a slave-girl who he set free, and she married his son. Yeah, he's a thief, because he steals... but that doesn't make him the thief class. Robin Goodfellow/Puck was a prankster and a trickster. Comic relief. Rogue was a broadening of the class, instead of just being thief. It opened up skills a lot more (since before, you only got your thief skills), but the class retained it's fundamental character from earlier editions. [/QUOTE]
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