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<blockquote data-quote="saric" data-source="post: 4322610" data-attributes="member: 60567">Well considering the fact that the two builds I made for the class are spellblade and the musician. I think it makes perfect sense. So unless you're suggesting to change the name to &quot;entertainer&quot; or suggesting a new build, you really aren't helping much.Did you just miss that part of my post? A bardic instrument can be &quot;anything&quot; that is related to your performances. if the juggler wanted a bowling pin , single dagger (which would have to be enchanted separately) or an sack of tomatoes then yeah he would just have to have it in hand or worn somewhere on his body.&nbsp;In 4th edition, clerics and warlords are leaders. I'm not sure if you read the class roles in the phb p16&nbsp; (&quot;Leaders inspire, heal and aid the other characters in an adventuring group.&quot;).&nbsp;I made the bard into a leader, therefore the bard should essentially not be as powerful than a warlord or cleric who are also can accomplish the bard's same role. If the bard becomes more powerful, why on earth would anyone play a cleric/warlord when they wanted to be a leader?Also in regards to bardic music, name one encounter power in 4th edition that increases in effectiveness at the higher levels, affects all allies in a burst, lasts all encounter in terms of its effect with the exclusion of temporary hit points,actual healing and pure damage. If you can find that power which you probably wont, make sure you can get it at level 1 cause thats when the bard &quot;should&quot; get it.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Lastly, bardic music in both forms (lasting all encounter and a single round) is still being playtested.No, its supposed to be Charisma vs Fortitude, added to the changes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="saric, post: 4322610, member: 60567"] Well considering the fact that the two builds I made for the class are spellblade and the musician. I think it makes perfect sense. So unless you're suggesting to change the name to "entertainer" or suggesting a new build, you really aren't helping much. Did you just miss that part of my post? A bardic instrument can be "anything" that is related to your performances. if the juggler wanted a bowling pin , single dagger (which would have to be enchanted separately) or an sack of tomatoes then yeah he would just have to have it in hand or worn somewhere on his body. In 4th edition, clerics and warlords are leaders. I'm not sure if you read the class roles in the phb p16 ("Leaders inspire, heal and aid the other characters in an adventuring group."). I made the bard into a leader, therefore the bard should essentially not be as powerful than a warlord or cleric who are also can accomplish the bard's same role. If the bard becomes more powerful, why on earth would anyone play a cleric/warlord when they wanted to be a leader? Also in regards to bardic music, name one encounter power in 4th edition that increases in effectiveness at the higher levels, affects all allies in a burst, lasts all encounter in terms of its effect with the exclusion of temporary hit points,actual healing and pure damage. If you can find that power which you probably wont, make sure you can get it at level 1 cause thats when the bard "should" get it. ;) Lastly, bardic music in both forms (lasting all encounter and a single round) is still being playtested. No, its supposed to be Charisma vs Fortitude, added to the changes. [/QUOTE]

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