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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 4475418" data-attributes="member: 20805">So it looks like we are both responding to an 'older' version <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />My current version is posted <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-house-rules/241362-revised-bard-sarics.html" target="_blank">here</a>My initial review was based simply on looking at similiar powers in the PHB and did not take into consideration what 4e role the class would fill.I do want a more 3e'ish feel to the bardic music and want a class that is much more in the support role. Your version is quite the stand-up combantant and does not, IMO, have enough team related powers built in.A cleric can do this at range, and the ally can gain grant temp hp or a save.Yup, I missed that in both the thread and in the PHB. My new version has this ability pretty much as is.Wrong class to be comparing the bard to. I am not too worried about the role as the action.Also if I recall correctly, brute strike = reliable True, which does help. Again, new version has a 3{w} power.. The warlord (a leader) gets high weapon damage rolls on his attacks comparable to fighters, you might want to check it out.I did, thanks for the push in that direction!Marking is the hallmark of a defender. I was looking at the mechanical result, not the role typing. It is easier, IMO, to use a Mark then fiddly one-off penalties. I ended up expanding this abit to split the 'feel' of the two builds. Wern't you the one saying earlier that the bard seems to be cherry picking abilities from other classes when you're suggesting the exact same thing?Yup <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm    :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />... my initial impression was more than just cherry picking tho. It was cherry picking then adding something more cool. Critical Strike, which you admit above as an oversight, was the start.. which made me more critical in my search.Again, where are you getting this from? This is what it says...A complete change from your version.... Why would you lower it to 2d6 damage? 3d6 average is 10.5 damage, and deafened is hardly the greatest condition. I ended up going with your version.By the way, if you make the effect destroy all glass in the area of effect, if any ally happens to be in the area, they just lost all their potions...<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devil.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":devil:" title="Devil    :devil:" data-shortname=":devil:" /> I know!What's wrong with sonic weapon as is? A power that provides a touched weapon with an additional 1D6 damage per hit... doesn't limit to the Bard's weapon. Which means with melee weapon powers that hit multiple opponents...... <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant    :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" />no bard should really have wisdom since their suggested stats are charisma, dex and int. Copy paste issue...  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Oh and it has 3 [w] at ranged. If i were a warlord or cleric I would kill for this.I ended up not keeping either version.I'll give you this one, but the sustain part is not really a good idea.I like the idea of the Bard being able to sustain thunder/sonic type attacks.Any reason why its a bad idea?did you know that there is 0 encounter powers that are sustained by any class in the phb? I changed Bardic Music a bit..well, actually alot... making it really the Bard's main thing to do.Healing Hymn: I wanted this to be weaker than the cleric/warlord, more of a 'morale booster' than 'healing', and did scrub the additional uses per encounter...and then dropped it completely.I will take a look at your newly posted version. I am glad you were able to steal some ideas back, as I have been stealing many of your ideas {and learning rule balance from you while I am at it! }Thanks again!</blockquote>

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