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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6073670" data-attributes="member: 7635">And yet here we are having spent 2012 talking about and playtesting an edition of D&amp;D that won't even be in print until 2014. Seems WotC was damned if they did, damned if they didn't. And I fail to see how they'd fire their fanbase. I'm assured by ALL 4e players that Essentials and Core mixes perfect with no hiccups whatsoever. You can have slayers right next to Invokers and Warlords and theirs nary an issue. So (unlike 3.5) you could mix the two versions, not unlike AD&amp;D 1e and 2e mixes well. WotC REALLY needed a new PHB/DMG/MM. The Essentials books were clever, but poorly arranged consisting of too many books to get a game going. (I need the RC, one or both Heroes books, and if the DM the DM kit and Monster Vault). It should have used Essentials as the new core and gone from there. I'm shocked they didn't; in 2010, I was convinced it was going to be the basis for 5e, like how Bo9S was the trial balloon for 4e. And I wouldn't put much stock in Google Search metrics. I'd be far more ashamed of the failures of the D&amp;D Minis line, Gleemax, most of the online tools, and 2012 book product line that all happened. We can argue rightly how good 4e was as a game, but from a sales point, it was pretty miserable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6073670, member: 7635"] And yet here we are having spent 2012 talking about and playtesting an edition of D&D that won't even be in print until 2014. Seems WotC was damned if they did, damned if they didn't. And I fail to see how they'd fire their fanbase. I'm assured by ALL 4e players that Essentials and Core mixes perfect with no hiccups whatsoever. You can have slayers right next to Invokers and Warlords and theirs nary an issue. So (unlike 3.5) you could mix the two versions, not unlike AD&D 1e and 2e mixes well. WotC REALLY needed a new PHB/DMG/MM. The Essentials books were clever, but poorly arranged consisting of too many books to get a game going. (I need the RC, one or both Heroes books, and if the DM the DM kit and Monster Vault). It should have used Essentials as the new core and gone from there. I'm shocked they didn't; in 2010, I was convinced it was going to be the basis for 5e, like how Bo9S was the trial balloon for 4e. And I wouldn't put much stock in Google Search metrics. I'd be far more ashamed of the failures of the D&D Minis line, Gleemax, most of the online tools, and 2012 book product line that all happened. We can argue rightly how good 4e was as a game, but from a sales point, it was pretty miserable. [/QUOTE]

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