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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 6075526" data-attributes="member: 48965"><p>No one claimed the sales of the corebook alone sustained the Pathfinder franchise... You made a broad claim that those who played 3.5 were not interested in revised rules... the fact that Paizo sells a revised rulebook and it is always in the top 3 for sales on their website (as well as being the top seller for the company on Amazon) is evidence (though admittedly only partial) that you are wrong, what you haven't shown is any evidence to support your first assumption, that 3.5 players are more interested in support than in revised (or errata'd as ypu put it) rules. So again, where is the actual evidence that 3.5 players didn't or don't want a set of revised rules? Because where I'm standing quite a few do. Of course this is not incompatible with them also wanting support... one does not preclude the other. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not even sure how this is relevant, since I don't think anyone has argued that they are being forced to play any particular system...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think we can conjecture all day about why WotC decided to drop the 3.5 rules set. There might have even been a necesity to create a new system... though I think Star Wars Saga, the various OGL games (including some like True20 or FantasyCraft that are relatively well balanced), etc. ...show that there was still alot that could be accomplished by revisiting and revising the base 3.5 rules... the thing is either way there was never a necesity to create 4e as that new rules base, that was a choice, and it was a choice a large number of fans, for whatever reasons, were dissatisfied with. In the end WotC is about making money and marketshare and I tend to believe, especially with a continuing revenue source like DDI, that if they hadn't loss considerable marketshare they wouldn't be creating a totally new edition this soon after the release of 4e. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough, if I have time I'll go back and look for them myself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See this is also exactly what you're doing when you claim 3.5 players are more interested in support than in revised rules. The problem about making large generalizations of groups of people when you don't have any evidence to back it up is that it's usually wrong and even if it's correct it isn't not taken seriously. Anecdotes are just anecdotes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 6075526, member: 48965"] No one claimed the sales of the corebook alone sustained the Pathfinder franchise... You made a broad claim that those who played 3.5 were not interested in revised rules... the fact that Paizo sells a revised rulebook and it is always in the top 3 for sales on their website (as well as being the top seller for the company on Amazon) is evidence (though admittedly only partial) that you are wrong, what you haven't shown is any evidence to support your first assumption, that 3.5 players are more interested in support than in revised (or errata'd as ypu put it) rules. So again, where is the actual evidence that 3.5 players didn't or don't want a set of revised rules? Because where I'm standing quite a few do. Of course this is not incompatible with them also wanting support... one does not preclude the other. Not even sure how this is relevant, since I don't think anyone has argued that they are being forced to play any particular system... I think we can conjecture all day about why WotC decided to drop the 3.5 rules set. There might have even been a necesity to create a new system... though I think Star Wars Saga, the various OGL games (including some like True20 or FantasyCraft that are relatively well balanced), etc. ...show that there was still alot that could be accomplished by revisiting and revising the base 3.5 rules... the thing is either way there was never a necesity to create 4e as that new rules base, that was a choice, and it was a choice a large number of fans, for whatever reasons, were dissatisfied with. In the end WotC is about making money and marketshare and I tend to believe, especially with a continuing revenue source like DDI, that if they hadn't loss considerable marketshare they wouldn't be creating a totally new edition this soon after the release of 4e. Fair enough, if I have time I'll go back and look for them myself. See this is also exactly what you're doing when you claim 3.5 players are more interested in support than in revised rules. The problem about making large generalizations of groups of people when you don't have any evidence to back it up is that it's usually wrong and even if it's correct it isn't not taken seriously. Anecdotes are just anecdotes. [/QUOTE]
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