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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6075632" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, I'll certainly avoid assuming any level of experience or lack thereof on any GROUP's part, but I do think that the constant unrelenting criticism of every aspect of 4e has made it a highly analyzed game, and one who's advocates have necessarily done a good bit of analysis. At a certain point one comes to feel almost like some late period Roman must have felt, perpetually opposing the unwashed barbarian masses dead set on mindless pillage <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yeah, I have to say, while I don't know if in practice we play a lot like Pemerton & Co play I find what he's saying sounds really familiar. I didn't spend some huge amount of time analyzing stuff. I just read the books and did what worked. I don't care a lot about theory or count myself as some genius amongst DMs. In some respects 4e can be less forgiving than say AD&D (I never ran 3.x) but OTOH in most respects it just works, as do most RPGs when you sit down and take them at face value and play them.Aye, I found most of the criticism eye-rollingly lame. A lot of the rest I have to join the OP in questioning its point and goal, and why it is directed at 4e specifically. I think at the deepest level the issue is that 4e is different enough that its very existence, particularly as a purported improvement, challenges people to ask if what they've been playing for the last however many years is the best game they could be experiencing. It is really of course purely subjective, but most of the critiques have smelled very much like defensiveness, and less like measured analysis. 4e is of course far from being above criticism, and calling one game better than another is probably mostly nonsensical, but somehow I wasn't impressed with the overall willingness of D&D fans to give new things a try. I get the feeling you're right Pemerton, there's less of this going on now, at least in some places like here. I guess I'll hope that the whole experience has perhaps given the community some improved insight, but its hard to say.</blockquote>

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