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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6075915" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, I'm just not sure I buy the "they hit us with all of this by surprise, it was promised to be 'the same old D&D'" as was proposed. I can only really project my own and to some extent the experience of the people I play with. All the FR, 2e/3e canon, etc never meant beans to us. I started DMing in 1975, you made up your own world. I haven't ever read FR, played in FR, owned anything to do with FR, nor could I give a crud about FR. I could BARELY give a crud about all but the most broad outlines of D&D Cosmology (that there are other planes of existence and they embody various ideals and conditions and that travel to them is both difficult and presents various kinds of adventures). The existence of demons, devils, dragons, and other familiar monsters is pretty useful, but to a first approximation all that exists in 4e. Honestly, where stuff did change, it seemed easier to use and incorporate in stories. Where with previous editions I basically utterly ignored lore beyond monster books basically and maybe some very passing lip service to 1e MotP 4e's lore is really useful and gets incorporated in some fashion fairly often. I spin a lot of stories off riffing on it (though I do have my own spin on a lot of it). So, none of that disturbed me at all. In fact it was highly welcome IMHO. I don't recall hearing any complaints in the groups I play/run games in either. Some local DMs have a bit more invested in older lore, but it seems to me you can just ignore the newer stuff without it being a big issue, and they've done that to the extent I know about. I guess if you are a big FR fan or whatever then maybe there's an issue, clearly it IS an issue to some people. I'm divided about it. Frankly I appreciate the new lore and I think its an improvement and a breath of fresh air. OTOH it probably could have been skipped and maybe there'd have been one less dimension of bloody screaming about 4e. Its all moot now. I am entirely certain I'll keep referring to the new lore in my play and while its possible I'll adopt 5e I don't see it as some needed or even welcome change.</blockquote>

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