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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 6075935" data-attributes="member: 7635">Nentir Vale/PoL/Nerath should have been its own default setting for 4e; fully developed and supported. I think it was endemic of the larger 4e &quot;problem&quot;; I'm sure I'd have enjoyed 4e a lot more on its own if it didn't keep trying to be D&amp;D in my mind. To that end, I'd probably have accepted it better if everytime I saw a nostalgic name placed on some new concept, my brain didn't scream &quot;THAT'S. NOT. FIREBALL!&quot;I have complaints about 4e that don't stem from comparison to earlier D&amp;D (early math and grindspace being big ones) but I'm sure I'd have gotten over them by the time Essentials-era math fixed them. However, anytime my brain connects a concept from 4e to what it was previously, my mere dislike boils over into nerdrage. As a game, I can appreciate much of what 4e did. As D&amp;D however, I found it inexcusable. YMMV and all that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 6075935, member: 7635"] Nentir Vale/PoL/Nerath should have been its own default setting for 4e; fully developed and supported. I think it was endemic of the larger 4e "problem"; I'm sure I'd have enjoyed 4e a lot more on its own if it didn't keep trying to be D&D in my mind. To that end, I'd probably have accepted it better if everytime I saw a nostalgic name placed on some new concept, my brain didn't scream "THAT'S. NOT. FIREBALL!" I have complaints about 4e that don't stem from comparison to earlier D&D (early math and grindspace being big ones) but I'm sure I'd have gotten over them by the time Essentials-era math fixed them. However, anytime my brain connects a concept from 4e to what it was previously, my mere dislike boils over into nerdrage. As a game, I can appreciate much of what 4e did. As D&D however, I found it inexcusable. YMMV and all that. [/QUOTE]

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