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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6075980" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, I in now way desire to denigrate other people's interests at all, it just strikes me as very trivial stuff in view of my interests. If there are dragons, orcs, elves, dwarves, demons, trolls, and a majority of the other D&D monsters in approximately their standard form its cool. I don't remember much at all about Archons from 2e (and they weren't in 1e were they?). Elementals weren't a really major monster, and showed up again in MM2 anyway. Aasimar I never heard of, it was some obscure 3e thing I assume. In any case the 4e Deva is one of those things you could take or leave. The Changling is just another name for Doppleganger in 4e, and both names have been used in different books. I wouldn't honestly remember exactly what dragon was found where, at least the difference in blue dragons is to me extremely obscure lore (and blue == ocean seems to make sense anway). Besides, who can tell a dragon where to live? Metallic dragons are still good, but their goodness is certainly of a rather less mortal nature. All the same metals are represented, plus additional ones that were added after 1e or later in 1e (mercury, steel, etc). Added chromatics exist too.</p><p></p><p>Fey were always inhuman. AFAIK the appearance of most of them is the same as ever, the dryad aside. Titans and giants were always related AFAIK, my players generally say things like "Demon, devil, whatever we kill it!" and could care less, so the obscurities of these creatures concern me little. Eladrin and Tieflings were again very obscure 3e creatures that I never even knew about and most players wouldn't either. They're cool races in 4e, yay! Elves can live anywhere they want and call themselves whatever they want too. Halflings will live wherever you feel like and I know of nothing about the race which defines them as "swamp folk" (4e lore claims they are river boat people, one might consider this drawn from Middle Earth lore, but nothing mechanical reinforces this, nor did anything mechanical ever reinforce any of their old lore).</p><p></p><p>I just don't see from my perspective anything worth getting terribly worried about, nor is there anything that can't be safely ignored if one is needing to conform to old lore or so stuck on it that diabolical succubi has any measurable impact on one's impression of the game. </p><p></p><p>Again, none of this is really in any way implying that any of this stuff isn't just utterly subjective like/dislike and you're welcome to hate on 4e for combining Daemons and Yugoleths with Demons (oh and lets not forget Demodands!) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6075980, member: 82106"] Yeah, I in now way desire to denigrate other people's interests at all, it just strikes me as very trivial stuff in view of my interests. If there are dragons, orcs, elves, dwarves, demons, trolls, and a majority of the other D&D monsters in approximately their standard form its cool. I don't remember much at all about Archons from 2e (and they weren't in 1e were they?). Elementals weren't a really major monster, and showed up again in MM2 anyway. Aasimar I never heard of, it was some obscure 3e thing I assume. In any case the 4e Deva is one of those things you could take or leave. The Changling is just another name for Doppleganger in 4e, and both names have been used in different books. I wouldn't honestly remember exactly what dragon was found where, at least the difference in blue dragons is to me extremely obscure lore (and blue == ocean seems to make sense anway). Besides, who can tell a dragon where to live? Metallic dragons are still good, but their goodness is certainly of a rather less mortal nature. All the same metals are represented, plus additional ones that were added after 1e or later in 1e (mercury, steel, etc). Added chromatics exist too. Fey were always inhuman. AFAIK the appearance of most of them is the same as ever, the dryad aside. Titans and giants were always related AFAIK, my players generally say things like "Demon, devil, whatever we kill it!" and could care less, so the obscurities of these creatures concern me little. Eladrin and Tieflings were again very obscure 3e creatures that I never even knew about and most players wouldn't either. They're cool races in 4e, yay! Elves can live anywhere they want and call themselves whatever they want too. Halflings will live wherever you feel like and I know of nothing about the race which defines them as "swamp folk" (4e lore claims they are river boat people, one might consider this drawn from Middle Earth lore, but nothing mechanical reinforces this, nor did anything mechanical ever reinforce any of their old lore). I just don't see from my perspective anything worth getting terribly worried about, nor is there anything that can't be safely ignored if one is needing to conform to old lore or so stuck on it that diabolical succubi has any measurable impact on one's impression of the game. Again, none of this is really in any way implying that any of this stuff isn't just utterly subjective like/dislike and you're welcome to hate on 4e for combining Daemons and Yugoleths with Demons (oh and lets not forget Demodands!) ;) [/QUOTE]
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