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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6076055" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>I dunno about respect. After all, much of that history was ... well... not exactly the best ideas ever. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> Just because something is old doesn't make it good.</p><p></p><p>I mean, complaining about Tanaari and Baatezu - when I started playing, these terms didn't even exist. These were TSR's sneaky way of getting demons and devils back into the game without calling them demons and devils, just to pacify a bunch of people who hated D&D. So, to me, these terms have always carried pretty negative connotations and I was pretty happy to see them gone in 3e. Heck, IIRC, one of the big reactions to 3e was the fact that demons and devils were CALLED demons and devils again. We had finally thrown off that crap that was foisted on us by a bunch of people who would never play D&D ever.</p><p></p><p>Let me ask this. Is the defining aspect of a blue dragon that it's found in a specific locale? I could see that for some creatures. After all, some sort of scorpion, for example, should probably be found in a desert. Fair enough. But, until someone on these boards mentioned it, I didn't even realize that blue dragons specifically had a territory/climate. I would say the defining element of a blue dragon is buckets of hit points and lightning breath. Where it's typically found? Really? That's the defining element for you?</p><p></p><p>But, all that as it may, unless you are insistent on running canon campaigns, who cares? I've had exactly one player ever complain that I was using a creature in its wrong terrain (I had a manticore outside of the deserts - I liked manticores) and everyone at the table pelted the guy with dice. I've never really been one to be slavish to canon - even when I have run published settings. Is what's in the books really that important to your game?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6076055, member: 22779"] I dunno about respect. After all, much of that history was ... well... not exactly the best ideas ever. :D Just because something is old doesn't make it good. I mean, complaining about Tanaari and Baatezu - when I started playing, these terms didn't even exist. These were TSR's sneaky way of getting demons and devils back into the game without calling them demons and devils, just to pacify a bunch of people who hated D&D. So, to me, these terms have always carried pretty negative connotations and I was pretty happy to see them gone in 3e. Heck, IIRC, one of the big reactions to 3e was the fact that demons and devils were CALLED demons and devils again. We had finally thrown off that crap that was foisted on us by a bunch of people who would never play D&D ever. Let me ask this. Is the defining aspect of a blue dragon that it's found in a specific locale? I could see that for some creatures. After all, some sort of scorpion, for example, should probably be found in a desert. Fair enough. But, until someone on these boards mentioned it, I didn't even realize that blue dragons specifically had a territory/climate. I would say the defining element of a blue dragon is buckets of hit points and lightning breath. Where it's typically found? Really? That's the defining element for you? But, all that as it may, unless you are insistent on running canon campaigns, who cares? I've had exactly one player ever complain that I was using a creature in its wrong terrain (I had a manticore outside of the deserts - I liked manticores) and everyone at the table pelted the guy with dice. I've never really been one to be slavish to canon - even when I have run published settings. Is what's in the books really that important to your game? [/QUOTE]
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