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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 6076104" data-attributes="member: 9037">I just plowed through all 34 pages. It was an interesting read. I never thought 4E was a bad system though after playing it I could see it was not a fit for me. To be honest a lot of what happened before and after it launched turned me off every giving WOTC money again which I got over in time. The ad campaign was pretty bad and rather insulting with the idea that we had not really been having fun before. I know I was not the only one who had the hackles up over it.But I pre ordered the core books and when they came I have to admit I was rather aghast at what I was reading it did not fix anything I had ever had a problem with. But I wanted to play it because games play differently than they read. We played every week for three months. There were so many things each of disliked we hated combat it felt like we were just slogging through those. I came here for advice and the sheer amount of edition warring by both sides turned me off I didn't come back for three years. My DM went to the WOTC boards for help DM and was blasted for wondering how the game would play if he changed healing surges to temporary hit points instead of permanent. There were some other issues as well I know he has never gone back. Eventually we decided to go back to 3.5. What I don't understand is why some people can't seem to accept that some people just don't like 4E and how it plays.  And saying that this is because they are set in their ways or they don't play other systems or are just indulging in whining  is just another form of edition warring.  If a game mainly works for you and what does not could be handled rather easily then having a new game come out and completely change how the game is played may not be welcomed simply because it is not what you wanted. One of the reasons for me not to invest in any more 4E products ( though I had to have Dark Sun) was simple I looked at my shelves filled with everything from basic to 3.5 plus a lot of D20 supplements as well as a few other systems. I have been able to use a lot of my older things like Night Below with a 3.5 with online conversations. A lot of the fluff for the Realms still worked. It was obvious that they would not work with very easily with 4E. At my age with my budget limitations and all the books I have now some which I have not gotten to use in a game  yet,I really felt that there was no need for me to buy 4E materials. And to be honest unless DnD next blows me away I don't know if I will invest in that either. One of the things I am finding as I get older is I want less things. Things demand time and upkeep. I read both the Forgotten Realms and Eberron books for 4E and while the Eberron didn't bug me as bad as the Forgotten Realms I was glad other settings were left alone. The changes in the Realms tuned me off to the point that I won't even read any fiction set in that time. Which made my fantasy book shelves happy less trying to fit new things on. I know my experience is far from universal a good friend of mine left DnD around the time 3.5 came out he was burned out he hated so much about 3E. He basically got his gaming fix from computer games until 4E came out. He loves it he is DMing again. I think it is wonderful that it revitalized gaming for him and I know it did the same for others and yes it lost people. But I think this is something that should be expected we are not a bunch of drones all liking or wanting the same thing. What gets my panties in a bunch is the insults and snide comments that surround this and trying to prove the other side is totally wrong. I find it interesting that when talking about issues in 3.5 and using a DM fix this is considered a symptom of a bad system but I have seen that advice given in many 4E threads on how to fix something. Then suddenly a DM fix is okay and a return to rule 0.I just hope when 5E comes out we don't see more of this kind of fragmenting where we can't even discuss things without being insulting.</blockquote>

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