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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 6077059" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Uh? I'll say "not in my mind."Did you see what I was replying to? This iss essentially the point I was trying to make to Balesir. He said "In 3.5 the difference between the 8th level fighter with +15 or so Climb and the Wizard with +1 (if lucky) made it really crucial that the Wiz didn't (ever) have to roll Climb..."I was just pointing out what you said, essentially. This is a problem even in 4e, it's just that 4e closed the gap somewhat. This is the case if the DM is using "objective" DCs, but certainly not the case if everything scales (which seems the intent of the rules, in my mind, though more explicitly in Essentials than the first PHB, from what I know). If everything scales, you can have the exact same problem that Balesir was saying wasn't there. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Isn't this essentially the same as, say, a DC 15 check in 3.5? The Wizard with +1 can hit the check, and the specialist basically never fails. Yes, I did agree that the gap closed somewhat, and I still agree with that. I just don't think it closed very meaningfully, unless you use "objective" DCs.Which is basically the same thing on "Easy" DCs (DC 15 skill check), while "Hard" DCs (DC 30) are only achievable by the specialists. Again, yes, 4e tightened the math here, but not enough to really make a big difference, as long as you scale DCs, in my opinion. You still have "Easy" DCs that untrained people can make, and "Hard" DCs that only specialists can make. It's about the same, from where I'm sitting. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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