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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6077865" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>@Permerton - I totally agree that the mechanical aspects of powers are more difficult to change. Keywords are a mechanical aspect, so, I generally wouldn't change them and any narration has to take them into account.</p><p></p><p>But, as Fox Lee points out, you can narrate powers a bunch of different ways. My point has always been, you can narrate powers a bunch of different ways, with the same character and possible in the same combat. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>And, really, the path of least resistance will generally result in narrations that are in keeping with the mechanics. If I hit someone with Eldritch Strike, for example, then likely I'm going to narrate it as some sort of energy attack slamming into the target and throwing him in a different direction. Might be different every time, but, every narration will likely include those two elements.</p><p></p><p>What baffles me frankly, is why people insist on using other edition concepts to criticise 4e. In 3e, if someone wanted to make an archer fighter, and the DM said, "take a ranger", they would be pretty annoyed. Rangers in 3e come with tons of baggage. You must be a nature warrior if you take ranger in 3e. You have no choice. You get an animal companion and you get druid spells. Neither of these are in keeping with an archer fighter archetype. So, fair enough, "be a ranger" doesn't work in 3e.</p><p></p><p>But in 4e? Why is this even a consideration? There is pretty much nothing in the ranger, either as baseline abilities or powers, which necessitate a nature based ranger. Now, you CAN make a nature based ranger. That's not a problem. But, you certainly don't have to. The 4e classes are actually far less restrictive than 3e, for the most part. At least most of them are. Ranger's a poster child for this. I mean, a 4e ranger can't even TRACK as a baseline. ((Not that he can't choose to take this - but, it is a choice)) </p><p></p><p>So, is the issue really just about what name you write under Class on the character sheet? Really? After four years of this, THAT'S the issue?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6077865, member: 22779"] @Permerton - I totally agree that the mechanical aspects of powers are more difficult to change. Keywords are a mechanical aspect, so, I generally wouldn't change them and any narration has to take them into account. But, as Fox Lee points out, you can narrate powers a bunch of different ways. My point has always been, you can narrate powers a bunch of different ways, with the same character and possible in the same combat. :D And, really, the path of least resistance will generally result in narrations that are in keeping with the mechanics. If I hit someone with Eldritch Strike, for example, then likely I'm going to narrate it as some sort of energy attack slamming into the target and throwing him in a different direction. Might be different every time, but, every narration will likely include those two elements. What baffles me frankly, is why people insist on using other edition concepts to criticise 4e. In 3e, if someone wanted to make an archer fighter, and the DM said, "take a ranger", they would be pretty annoyed. Rangers in 3e come with tons of baggage. You must be a nature warrior if you take ranger in 3e. You have no choice. You get an animal companion and you get druid spells. Neither of these are in keeping with an archer fighter archetype. So, fair enough, "be a ranger" doesn't work in 3e. But in 4e? Why is this even a consideration? There is pretty much nothing in the ranger, either as baseline abilities or powers, which necessitate a nature based ranger. Now, you CAN make a nature based ranger. That's not a problem. But, you certainly don't have to. The 4e classes are actually far less restrictive than 3e, for the most part. At least most of them are. Ranger's a poster child for this. I mean, a 4e ranger can't even TRACK as a baseline. ((Not that he can't choose to take this - but, it is a choice)) So, is the issue really just about what name you write under Class on the character sheet? Really? After four years of this, THAT'S the issue? [/QUOTE]
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