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<blockquote data-quote="D'karr" data-source="post: 6078092" data-attributes="member: 336">Maybe I'm missing something how does being an LG Paladin mean that you follow an ethos.&nbsp; Anyone can follow an ethos, a peasant that is LG also follows that ethos.&nbsp; The restriction makes no sense in 4e, because in 4e a Paladin is a &quot;Champion of an Ethos&quot;, not a &quot;Champion of just this very narrow ethos that somebody decided was the only one appropriate for the class&quot;.If the only ethos espoused is that of LG, then there is no differentiation between Paladins in 3.x or earlier.&nbsp; They ALL espouse the ideals of LG.Hyperbole is so well suited to conversation.You keep saying punished, and I can't see how anyone could regard what we have discussed in 4e as punishment.&nbsp; I know you'd like it to be that way, to lend credence to the argument, but it falls extremely short of it.I'm right handed, and I can write with my left hand.&nbsp; If I write with my left hand writing is more difficult.&nbsp; If I make a choice to use my left hand to write, there must be a reason to it, besides punishing myself for the effort, or the person that gets to read the &quot;chicken scratch.&quot;&nbsp; I don't get hit over the head with a spatula every time I write with my left hand, or get told that I'm wrong to do so and there will be consequences.&nbsp; I'm just not as effective at &quot;writing&quot; when I use my left hand.&nbsp; That is exactly how a 4e Paladin that chooses not to use his &quot;effective&quot; powers works.&nbsp; No punishment.&nbsp; If he needs to shoot someone with an arrow, he can.&nbsp; He doesn't suddenly get smacked by his god because he's being dishonorable.&nbsp; His attacks with a bow are simply not as effective as his attacks with a melee weapon.&nbsp; No punishment there.&nbsp; It's the same as a PC that has decided to max his abilities tied to Strength.&nbsp; When shooting a bow, he will be less effective because Dexterity is not what he invested his efforts in.&nbsp; How is that punishment?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="D'karr, post: 6078092, member: 336"] Maybe I'm missing something how does being an LG Paladin mean that you follow an ethos. Anyone can follow an ethos, a peasant that is LG also follows that ethos. The restriction makes no sense in 4e, because in 4e a Paladin is a "[B]Champion[/B] of an Ethos", not a "Champion of just this very narrow ethos that somebody decided was the only one appropriate for the class". If the only ethos espoused is that of LG, then there is no differentiation between Paladins in 3.x or earlier. They ALL espouse the ideals of LG. Hyperbole is so well suited to conversation. You keep saying punished, and I can't see how anyone could regard what we have discussed in 4e as punishment. I know you'd like it to be that way, to lend credence to the argument, but it falls extremely short of it. I'm right handed, and I can write with my left hand. If I write with my left hand writing is more difficult. If I make a choice to use my left hand to write, there must be a reason to it, besides punishing myself for the effort, or the person that gets to read the "chicken scratch." I don't get hit over the head with a spatula every time I write with my left hand, or get told that I'm wrong to do so and there will be consequences. I'm just not as effective at "writing" when I use my left hand. That is exactly how a 4e Paladin that chooses not to use his "effective" powers works. No punishment. If he needs to shoot someone with an arrow, he can. He doesn't suddenly get smacked by his god because he's being dishonorable. His attacks with a bow are simply [B][I]not as[/I][/B] effective as his attacks with a melee weapon. No punishment there. It's the same as a PC that has decided to max his abilities tied to Strength. When shooting a bow, he will be less effective because Dexterity is not what he invested his efforts in. How is that punishment? [/QUOTE]

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