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<blockquote data-quote="D'karr" data-source="post: 6078251" data-attributes="member: 336">I don't think it's a sweeping generalization to say that in previous editions a Paladin that was no longer LG is no longer a Paladin.&nbsp; It is also not a sweeping generalization to say that this was a punishment, and that it was pretty much based on subjective criteria (as alignment, and evil acts have always been).&nbsp; It is also not a sweeping generalization to say that &quot;atoning&quot; for this would also fall on subjective criteria from the DM, since NPCs are controlled by the DM and only appear at the DMs whim.&nbsp; Finding a cleric of 7th level or above in 1e, or of 9th level or above in 3.x to perform an atonement was DM purview.&nbsp; Unless there were other PCs in the party to do so, and at that point you are not only at the mercy of the DM, but another PC.So if I've made any sweeping generalization in that I apologize, but generally those were the rules for Paladins.&nbsp; If there are variants to the paladin class, I don't recall seeing any in 1e, 2e, and 3e.&nbsp; You say that there were variants in 3.5 and I said I'd take your word for it.&nbsp; However, a variant is not part of the &quot;general&quot; rules so they are the exception rather than the rule.&nbsp; As such these general rules for paladins apply to all versions that had paladins, except 4e.&nbsp; I don't think that's a sweeping generalization.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="D'karr, post: 6078251, member: 336"] I don't think it's a sweeping generalization to say that in previous editions a Paladin that was no longer LG is no longer a Paladin. It is also not a sweeping generalization to say that this was a punishment, and that it was pretty much based on subjective criteria (as alignment, and evil acts have always been). It is also not a sweeping generalization to say that "atoning" for this would also fall on subjective criteria from the DM, since NPCs are controlled by the DM and only appear at the DMs whim. Finding a cleric of 7th level or above in 1e, or of 9th level or above in 3.x to perform an atonement was DM purview. Unless there were other PCs in the party to do so, and at that point you are not only at the mercy of the DM, but another PC. So if I've made any sweeping generalization in that I apologize, but generally those were the rules for Paladins. If there are variants to the paladin class, I don't recall seeing any in 1e, 2e, and 3e. You say that there were variants in 3.5 and I said I'd take your word for it. However, a variant is not part of the "general" rules so they are the exception rather than the rule. As such these general rules for paladins apply to all versions that had paladins, except 4e. I don't think that's a sweeping generalization. [/QUOTE]

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