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<blockquote data-quote="Fox Lee" data-source="post: 6078291" data-attributes="member: 4346"><p>It's great to see somebody say a thing like that <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I was pretty heavily invested in 3.5 myself, so I was really sceptical of 4e, but I made a point of trying it anyway because I wanted to be fair. But even now, as an advocate of 4e, I would still play a 3.5e/Pathfinder game if another player in my group wanted to run one - I don't think they're bad systems overall, just not the best for what I want.</p><p></p><p>Your issues seem legitimate - I didn't find them any worse than in 3.5, but that may be because we also played with 3.5's more time-per-turn-intensive mechanics, like the Bo9S and Psionics. The main timewaster at our table isn't conditions but decision-making - worrying too much about which ability to use and where to move - and that's pretty much a given for our group unless the system forgoes tactical combat (<em>or</em> makes it needlessly easy - both would pretty much defeat the purpose for us).</p><p></p><p>Anyway, I think being willing to reconsider their opinion on something in light of new argumenst speaks well of a person, so I just wanted to say kudos to you <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> I'm glad my ramblings could contribute something interesting to your experience.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fox Lee, post: 6078291, member: 4346"] It's great to see somebody say a thing like that :D I was pretty heavily invested in 3.5 myself, so I was really sceptical of 4e, but I made a point of trying it anyway because I wanted to be fair. But even now, as an advocate of 4e, I would still play a 3.5e/Pathfinder game if another player in my group wanted to run one - I don't think they're bad systems overall, just not the best for what I want. Your issues seem legitimate - I didn't find them any worse than in 3.5, but that may be because we also played with 3.5's more time-per-turn-intensive mechanics, like the Bo9S and Psionics. The main timewaster at our table isn't conditions but decision-making - worrying too much about which ability to use and where to move - and that's pretty much a given for our group unless the system forgoes tactical combat ([i]or[/i] makes it needlessly easy - both would pretty much defeat the purpose for us). Anyway, I think being willing to reconsider their opinion on something in light of new argumenst speaks well of a person, so I just wanted to say kudos to you :D I'm glad my ramblings could contribute something interesting to your experience. [/QUOTE]
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