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<blockquote data-quote="Fox Lee" data-source="post: 6078366" data-attributes="member: 4346"><p>Actually, you <em>are</em> being blatantly hypocritical, as we will see with basic logic. You make these claims:</p><p></p><p>a) I can't be class A because my concept doesn't fit with its fluff.</p><p>b) I should be class B, even though my concept doesn't fit with its fluff.</p><p></p><p>Claim A is only valid if flavour is law. Claim B is only valid if flavour is <em>not</em> law. It is impossible for both of these things to be true at once, yet you are making both arguments in one breath.</p><p></p><p>Making two contradictory arguments at once is pretty much a perfect example of hypocrisy, ergo, you are <em>absolutely</em> being hypocritical, and another person can point that out regardless of whether they agree with either, neither or both of your claims.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You're factually wrong. In 4e I am under no obligation to make my paladin religious, nor to say she has no anger issues. You simply are not talking about 4e here - whether or not it suits your preferences, it is not what you are describing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then your idea of the character is wrong, because as I pointed out, there are numerous mechanical (i.e., non-mutable) reasons that barbarian is unsuitable. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you didn't notice that, since you also seem to think she is a man.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Except my paladin <em>is</em> divine, which is one of the reasons why I said barbarian was unsuitable - true for fighter as well, though fighter is at least closer than barbarian since it has to spend fewer feats to reach plate armour. But paladin is still by far the best match; it has all the things that I envision this character needing, like plate proficiency, melee focus, divine powers, defender category, being super tough (in the form of more healing surges and HP), powers that heal and shield allies, and abilities that function better when it takes hits and surrounds itself with foes. In fact, the ONLY way in which paladin does not match is in flavour - and only certain parts of its flavour at that - which is the only completely malleable aspect of a class.</p><p></p><p>If the only thing you need to change is the <em>one thing you are told you can change as much as you like</em>, then you have your match.</p><p></p><p>There is no way for you to get around this - the only way that your advice is true in 4e is if you pretend that flavour is rules, and it simply isn't. Your advice is objectively bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fox Lee, post: 6078366, member: 4346"] Actually, you [i]are[/i] being blatantly hypocritical, as we will see with basic logic. You make these claims: a) I can't be class A because my concept doesn't fit with its fluff. b) I should be class B, even though my concept doesn't fit with its fluff. Claim A is only valid if flavour is law. Claim B is only valid if flavour is [i]not[/i] law. It is impossible for both of these things to be true at once, yet you are making both arguments in one breath. Making two contradictory arguments at once is pretty much a perfect example of hypocrisy, ergo, you are [i]absolutely[/i] being hypocritical, and another person can point that out regardless of whether they agree with either, neither or both of your claims. You're factually wrong. In 4e I am under no obligation to make my paladin religious, nor to say she has no anger issues. You simply are not talking about 4e here - whether or not it suits your preferences, it is not what you are describing. Then your idea of the character is wrong, because as I pointed out, there are numerous mechanical (i.e., non-mutable) reasons that barbarian is unsuitable. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you didn't notice that, since you also seem to think she is a man. Except my paladin [i]is[/i] divine, which is one of the reasons why I said barbarian was unsuitable - true for fighter as well, though fighter is at least closer than barbarian since it has to spend fewer feats to reach plate armour. But paladin is still by far the best match; it has all the things that I envision this character needing, like plate proficiency, melee focus, divine powers, defender category, being super tough (in the form of more healing surges and HP), powers that heal and shield allies, and abilities that function better when it takes hits and surrounds itself with foes. In fact, the ONLY way in which paladin does not match is in flavour - and only certain parts of its flavour at that - which is the only completely malleable aspect of a class. If the only thing you need to change is the [i]one thing you are told you can change as much as you like[/i], then you have your match. There is no way for you to get around this - the only way that your advice is true in 4e is if you pretend that flavour is rules, and it simply isn't. Your advice is objectively bad. [/QUOTE]
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