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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6078637" data-attributes="member: 87792">"Master of weapons and armour"?  Where does that come from.  Because <a href="https://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/CC_Fighter.pdf" target="_blank">I don't think it's 4e</a>.Options like the assassin and the monk that were in the 2e PHB?  Oh wait.  Or options like the warlord and the warlock that were in the 3e PHB?Fascinating, thank you.  And I mean that seriously.  Because this is not and has never been a way I have played or visualised a world.  This actually explains quite a lot about some differences - when I think of a fighter, I think of someone who fights.  Not a member of the fighter's guild.  And I'd assume that the thieves guild had some fighters on hand (muggers and enforcers), some bards (distractions, pickpockets), and might even have a priest or two or a wizard or two.I've explained what was gained - and why I consider it to be a mistake.  Were all the design decisions in the PHB good ones?  No.  Were they trying to get at something?  Normally.Who's been fluffing a barbarian as a paladin and why?  (And survival isn't a skill in 4e - you mean Nature, which is easy enough to pick up through any one of a number of feats).Um... it was a balance rule that exploited fluff unique to Christians and makes no sense with the pantheons D&D has.He was also a wizard's apprentice. The <a href="http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20060501a&page=2" target="_blank">Knight</a>?  The character class that gets Come and Get It with a 100 foot radius?  That lasts "for a number of rounds equal to 5 + your Charisma bonus"  As an automatic 4th level ability?  And gets to do this up to "a number of times per day equal to 1/2 your class level + your Charisma bonus".  I suppose if you count mind control with a half minute duration rather than the couple of seconds of making a mistake CAGI takes.Out of curiosity, why wasn't there rioting in the streets when the knight was published in the PHB2 given the way it takes every single criticism of the 4e fighter and turns it up to 11?And no, it didn't do a great job.  It simply did a job that wasn't completely terrible. Post his character sheet.</blockquote>

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