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<blockquote data-quote="Fox Lee" data-source="post: 6078934" data-attributes="member: 4346"><p>He can't use all weapons either, but that's not a good enough reason to give him free proficiency with all Superior weapons. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And it's not as if they put any new work into the PHB to replace it, those lazy bastards.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Explain to me how Robin Hood is a guardian of the woodlands who commands wild beasts? He's a hero of the <em>the people</em>, not the wilderness; fighting a corrupt system for the sake of the downtrodden, involved with the wilderness only as far as he could hide in it. In all likelihood was constructed as a folk hero for middle-class <em>merchants</em> of the time. If hiding in the trees is all it takes to make you a warrior of nature, hell, I used to have a treehouse too.</p><p></p><p>And the Green Arrow, seriously? Last I checked he was the mayor of a freaking city, who uses a high-tech compound bow and a series of <em>technological gadgets</em> to match up to superpowered heroes. Duty to protect the wilderness? Slips through the woods? Druidic magic, for crying out loud?</p><p></p><p>Ironically, what you are describing with these two <em>is</em> "generic bow guy", and they are excellent candidates for the 4e ranger because the critical aspect of both of them is just "archery". Earlier rangers, with their drudic magic and favoured enemies and animal companions? A genuinely terrible match. In particular you would have to houserule the <em><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></em> off of 3.5 Ranger to make it fit (oh hey, in 3.x they would both have to be evil since their favoured enemy is human by exclusion! What a perfect match!).</p><p></p><p>You know, you can mock refluffing all you want, but it seems to me that expected re-fluffing is a damn sight better than expected houseruling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fox Lee, post: 6078934, member: 4346"] He can't use all weapons either, but that's not a good enough reason to give him free proficiency with all Superior weapons. And it's not as if they put any new work into the PHB to replace it, those lazy bastards. Explain to me how Robin Hood is a guardian of the woodlands who commands wild beasts? He's a hero of the [i]the people[/i], not the wilderness; fighting a corrupt system for the sake of the downtrodden, involved with the wilderness only as far as he could hide in it. In all likelihood was constructed as a folk hero for middle-class [i]merchants[/i] of the time. If hiding in the trees is all it takes to make you a warrior of nature, hell, I used to have a treehouse too. And the Green Arrow, seriously? Last I checked he was the mayor of a freaking city, who uses a high-tech compound bow and a series of [i]technological gadgets[/i] to match up to superpowered heroes. Duty to protect the wilderness? Slips through the woods? Druidic magic, for crying out loud? Ironically, what you are describing with these two [i]is[/i] "generic bow guy", and they are excellent candidates for the 4e ranger because the critical aspect of both of them is just "archery". Earlier rangers, with their drudic magic and favoured enemies and animal companions? A genuinely terrible match. In particular you would have to houserule the [i]:):):):)[/i] off of 3.5 Ranger to make it fit (oh hey, in 3.x they would both have to be evil since their favoured enemy is human by exclusion! What a perfect match!). You know, you can mock refluffing all you want, but it seems to me that expected re-fluffing is a damn sight better than expected houseruling. [/QUOTE]
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