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Message: <blockquote data-quote="sabrinathecat" data-source="post: 6080020" data-attributes="member: 89838">I've had the essentials is/isn't 4E argument so many times it isn't funny, entertaining, or even interesting anymore, so I am not going to rehash it yet again. In my opinion, it isn't. If in your opinion it is, fine. We disagree. Neither of us are likely to change the other's mind. Let's move on.3 races introduce. So far as I can tell, only one (the revenant) ever got any feat support.vampire class works ok at heroic, but flubs higher up. Again, no support beyond what first came out.Blackguard can at least borrow from regular paladin.Binders eventually got a fey-pact option, but wasn't much."You have combat advantage in dim light or less," "You get +1 to saving throws in dim light or less," etc mechanics aren't that impressive unless you are in a campaign with a lot of dim lighting.Assassin class had one prelim development in Dragon, which was interesting, and then a total rewrite in HoS that was kinda bland and uninspiring (to me). So the result is two completely different assassin classes: the O-ssassing and the E-ssassin.There was a lot of potential for HoS, but the product was very disappointing.I found 2nd Ed, when it first came out, to be fairly satisfying. (remember, this was in the days before wide-spread internet use--1989.) And there wasn't a lot of call for corrections. It had a lot of improvements from 1st ed, and played well. And it didn't normally have massive, blatant, inexcusable typos.  Even basic text in 4e has some things that, heck, just running a spell-checker would have found. Then you have things like "Close Blurst"--what the heck was that supposed to be? A blast or a burst? How did this make it to press? PH1, Radiant Servant has a great power called Solar Wrath, close burst 8 encounter power. Seriously, no one noticed how massively powerful that was? This is PH1, which had the most development and play-testing time. It didn't occur to anyone that a power with that big and area and that much damage was way out of line with the other paragon path powers that other classes had? It has since been nerfed in errata to close burst 3, but as much as I loved playing with it as a player, it was obviously way too powerful. And that's just one example. I don't think any other edition had anything so egregious in the way of being totally out of step.The only thing I can think of that is maybe in the same line is some of the SpellJammer source books which were written by the world experts who obviously had not read the SpellJammer rules.2nd ed books poorly worked? Never got it right the first time? Under powered? Are we talking about the same game?Monsters never statted or supported? Have you checked the back of MM1?DSG?I love the 4th Ed game, and mechanically it is superior to 2nd Ed. But, I am willing to point out the flaws in 4th Ed, and the sloppy work that should never have reached our eyes. The lack of editing in 4th ed is embarrassing. If we had released such badly edited material when I was working at McGraw-Hill, we would have been FIRED With Cause.</blockquote>

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