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<blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 3917902" data-attributes="member: 10638">I just can't wait to have to purchase a seperate book (probably 3rd party..I guess we should start referring them to 4TH-Party products now eh?) for grappling rules.DM:&nbsp; OK, the monster grabs you.&nbsp; Reflex AC 28 does that hit you?Player:&nbsp; Yep.DM:&nbsp; OK, he throws you across the room into the pit of burning fire.&nbsp; You're now &quot;lavatouched.&quot;&nbsp; Write the word ASHES on your character sheet.Player:&nbsp; What?!?!DM:&nbsp; Yep.&nbsp; I can pretty much do what I want with you now with grappling.&nbsp; I could do 1dzero points with my grapple or I can pick you up and throw you into the lava.&nbsp; I'm thinking the monster would throw you in the lava.Player:&nbsp; but the monster's lawfulDM:&nbsp; Yes, but remember, monsters arent' bound to act according to alignments anymorePlayer:&nbsp; but, but but.DM:&nbsp; Sigh, fine.&nbsp; I'll pull out the Complex Grappling Hardcover by Lavatouched-Dragon games.&nbsp; OK, roll a d1000 and then a percentile.Player:&nbsp; I got a 0001 and another 01.DM:&nbsp; Uh oh.&nbsp; That means the monster tears all of your limbs off and you're instantly turned into the subject of ridicule.&nbsp; The monster recites about 10 &quot;what do you call a guy with no arms and no legs&quot; jokes before taking pity on you.&nbsp; He takes you home, hangs you on the wall and insists your name is Art.Player:&nbsp; GOD I HATE THIS 4TH EDITION CRAP!&nbsp; Can't we just go back and play 3E when things were simpler?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />jhP.s. awaiting the simplicity of 4e's grappling rules</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Emirikol, post: 3917902, member: 10638"] I just can't wait to have to purchase a seperate book (probably 3rd party..I guess we should start referring them to 4TH-Party products now eh?) for grappling rules. DM: OK, the monster grabs you. Reflex AC 28 does that hit you? Player: Yep. DM: OK, he throws you across the room into the pit of burning fire. You're now "lavatouched." Write the word ASHES on your character sheet. Player: What?!?! DM: Yep. I can pretty much do what I want with you now with grappling. I could do 1dzero points with my grapple or I can pick you up and throw you into the lava. I'm thinking the monster would throw you in the lava. Player: but the monster's lawful DM: Yes, but remember, monsters arent' bound to act according to alignments anymore Player: but, but but. DM: Sigh, fine. I'll pull out the Complex Grappling Hardcover by Lavatouched-Dragon games. OK, roll a d1000 and then a percentile. Player: I got a 0001 and another 01. DM: Uh oh. That means the monster tears all of your limbs off and you're instantly turned into the subject of ridicule. The monster recites about 10 "what do you call a guy with no arms and no legs" jokes before taking pity on you. He takes you home, hangs you on the wall and insists your name is Art. Player: GOD I HATE THIS 4TH EDITION CRAP! Can't we just go back and play 3E when things were simpler? :) jh P.s. awaiting the simplicity of 4e's grappling rules [/QUOTE]

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