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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 3919414" data-attributes="member: 18280">More complicated, less complicated....it's too early to say.The following, however, is clearly an attempt to shut down conversation on the issue:Looking at what has been released about the system to see if it seems more or less complicated isn't going &quot;GOTCHA!&quot; nor is it &quot;analogous to what the press does to politicians&quot;.Despite what some may claim, it is quite possible to believe that &quot;WOTC said they'd make the game less complicated&quot; isn't evidence that the game will be[/i] less complicated[/i] without believing that this is because WotC is intentionally increasing complication, or leaving complication the same.Every set of rpg game rules ever devised has included unintentional consequences.&nbsp; Certainly that was the case in 3e -- WotC is now quite open about several things in 3e not working the way the designers thought they would.&nbsp; Why would one expect that, with 4e, the same wouldn't apply?&nbsp; Why wouldn't the claims of the 4e designers be open to the same scrutiny?The only time someone says &quot;Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!&quot;, IME and IMHO, is when you should be paying attention to exactly that.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 3919414, member: 18280"] More complicated, less complicated....it's too early to say. The following, however, is clearly an attempt to shut down conversation on the issue: Looking at what has been released about the system to see if it seems more or less complicated isn't going "GOTCHA!" nor is it "analogous to what the press does to politicians". Despite what some may claim, it is quite possible to believe that "WOTC said they'd make the game less complicated" [i][b]isn't evidence that the game [/b][/i][b]will be[/i] less complicated[/i][/b] without believing that this is because WotC is [i]intentionally[/i] increasing complication, or leaving complication the same. [i]Every[/i] set of rpg game rules ever devised has included unintentional consequences. Certainly that was the case in 3e -- WotC is now quite open about several things in 3e not working the way the designers thought they would. Why would one expect that, with 4e, the same wouldn't apply? Why wouldn't the claims of the 4e designers be open to the same scrutiny? The only time someone says "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!", IME and IMHO, is when you [i]should[/i] be paying attention to exactly that. RC [/QUOTE]

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