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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6868502" data-attributes="member: 87792">Converters how?As a GM I am not a converter in the slightest. 5e massively disempowers me compared to DMing 4e. It gives me a lot of makework in needing to vet what the players do. It almost unforgivably gives me an administrative faff in terms of cross-referencing monsters to spells (and it's ridiculously spellcaster heavy). To run 4e literally all the mechanical reference material I need is the MM3 on a Business Card and the Skill Challenge DCs on the other side; everything else is part of the world. Now that's DM empowerment - shifting the work off my shoulders (literally in the case of rulebooks I'd carry to sessions) and allowing me to let the players run while I can focus on everything else.As a player? Ehh. There are only a few classes I actually like*. But even one would be enough as long as I have a good DM, and I'd far rather play it than 3.X or 2e. What I'm looking for is a character with broad competence and a few things they are outstanding at that they can do reliably and often, and part of the skill is bringing their strengths to bear on the current situation; the spell list of the wizard just feels both like a laundry list and too interchangeable and the spells are far too solution-like. (A Pathfinder Summoner should fit this category - but I think [MENTION=463]S'mon[/MENTION] still has PTSD from the one time I played one in a campaign.) So as player, 5e would never be my first choice but isn't a dealbreaker.* Barbarian, Monk, Sorcerer, Warlock. (Rogues and battlemaster fighters should be in there but are nowhere near meaty enough).</blockquote>

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