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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6869061" data-attributes="member: 996">Sure.&nbsp; 'None' isn't a plausible goal, but a well-balanced system mutes the effects of mastery.True.&nbsp; A clear/consistent/playable/balanced system can not just be played transparently, it works better when it's played 'above board' like that.&nbsp; A 'judgment' system works better when more resolution is taken behind the screen, with little or no transparency - you get the full benefits of the approach, and shield the player experience from some of the potential negatives, that way.It sounds like you have a clear preference.&nbsp; I share that preference as a player, for the most part.&nbsp; As a DM, though, I like both approaches very much, and I do find I can pull some of the plusses of the judgment-based into the more consistent/balanced one.&nbsp; Strongly judgment based systems, like 5e, though, foster an acceptance of the style among players, since DM judgment (&quot;rulings over rules&quot;) is used frequently and innocuously for basic resolution, and often to the players' advantage, there's less awareness of or resistance to it when used in other ways, as well.&nbsp; Conversely, when playing above-board, exercise of DM judgment stands out like a red flag, and players, even if they trust you and don't object (and they may well object anyway), may be leery of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6869061, member: 996"] Sure. 'None' isn't a plausible goal, but a well-balanced system mutes the effects of mastery. True. A clear/consistent/playable/balanced system can not just be played transparently, it works better when it's played 'above board' like that. A 'judgment' system works better when more resolution is taken behind the screen, with little or no transparency - you get the full benefits of the approach, and shield the player experience from some of the potential negatives, that way. It sounds like you have a clear preference. I share that preference as a player, for the most part. As a DM, though, I like both approaches very much, and I do find I can pull some of the plusses of the judgment-based into the more consistent/balanced one. Strongly judgment based systems, like 5e, though, foster an acceptance of the style among players, since DM judgment ("rulings over rules") is used frequently and innocuously for basic resolution, and often to the players' advantage, there's less awareness of or resistance to it when used in other ways, as well. Conversely, when playing above-board, exercise of DM judgment stands out like a red flag, and players, even if they trust you and don't object (and they may well object anyway), may be leery of it. [/QUOTE]

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