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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6876457" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, hard to disagree with. Many of the 3.x and PF classes are really just useless from a standpoint of seriously playing at the same level as full casters. The difference can be truly HUGE too. I mean, at low levels in 3.5 if your DM really puts the screws to the casters in terms of resources you can KINDA pretend that a bard or a monk is playing the same game you are. A fighter or a thief will do pretty well, for a while. Once you hit 7th level though there's simply no disguising the huge differences anymore though. The fighter or the thief will still contribute, though their roles become more peripheral at that point. But the monk, bard, or many of the non-casting/semi-casting classes in some of the other books (Samurai really springs to mind) are just beyond pathetic.</p></blockquote><p></p>