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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6884145" data-attributes="member: 463">I think it's generally true IME that the pre-3e* Fighter will kill more mooks than the 5e Fighter at the same level. It's equally true that the pre-3e Magic-User will kill more more mooks than the 5e Wizard at the same level. I don't think Orcs are an ideal comparison though; pre-3e Orcs are baseline mooks, whereas 3e-4e-5e Orcs are 'savage barbarian' Orcs. The role of the pre-3e Orc is more akin to the 5e CR 1/8 stuff - Guard or Bandit or Tribal Warrior stats.*1e RAW evaluation is so dependent on the 1 hd breakpoint for 'attacks=level' that I don't think it's a good comparison. Personally I run both a Classic D&amp;D game with 8th-11th level PCs and a 5e game with 12th-14th level PCs, and I'd say they work out very similarly - though the 5e numbers are bigger, things go down about the same. The 5e players probably feel slightly more threatened by encountering a large numbers of enemies than the Classic players, but they trash them ok all the same.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 6884145, member: 463"] I think it's generally true IME that the pre-3e* Fighter will kill more mooks than the 5e Fighter at the same level. It's equally true that the pre-3e Magic-User will kill more more mooks than the 5e Wizard at the same level. I don't think Orcs are an ideal comparison though; pre-3e Orcs are baseline mooks, whereas 3e-4e-5e Orcs are 'savage barbarian' Orcs. The role of the pre-3e Orc is more akin to the 5e CR 1/8 stuff - Guard or Bandit or Tribal Warrior stats. *1e RAW evaluation is so dependent on the 1 hd breakpoint for 'attacks=level' that I don't think it's a good comparison. Personally I run both a Classic D&D game with 8th-11th level PCs and a 5e game with 12th-14th level PCs, and I'd say they work out very similarly - though the 5e numbers are bigger, things go down about the same. The 5e players probably feel slightly more threatened by encountering a large numbers of enemies than the Classic players, but they trash them ok all the same. [/QUOTE]

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