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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9723673" data-attributes="member: 7023840">Kinda. I hate to use the word &quot;trap&quot; (because it's not) but it's a little misleading. That is exactly what it does if you're doing vanilla TWF, and nick is awesome for that. Note you only need one nick weapon. I like to use two scimitars for Shamal (because it's cool), but most optimizers use nick+vex.My reading is that you use nick on primary weapon to bring bonus attack into main attack action, so that it's nick+vex, but I wouldn't have an issue with having vex go first. The order of operations does matter (vex gives advantage on next attack).Where it does matter is if you're committing to a TWF style for your build. Because then you're going to have to take the dual wielder feat. And that means you're going to be using your bonus action every single round, and losing out on an attack when you don't.And the bonus action economy can really matter- heck, they changed smite to require a bonus action, so whenever Shamal smites, he loses an attack. For characters that use their bonus action a lot, TWF might not be a great idea. IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9723673, member: 7023840"] Kinda. I hate to use the word "trap" (because it's not) but it's a little misleading. That is exactly what it does if you're doing vanilla TWF, and nick is awesome for that. Note you only need [I]one [/I]nick weapon. I like to use two scimitars for Shamal (because it's cool), but most optimizers use nick+vex. My reading is that you use nick on primary weapon to bring bonus attack into main attack action, so that it's nick+vex, but I wouldn't have an issue with having vex go first. The order of operations does matter (vex gives advantage on next attack). [I]Where it does matter is if you're committing to a TWF style for your build[/I]. Because then you're going to have to take the dual wielder feat. And that means you're going to be using your bonus action every single round, and losing out on an attack when you don't. And the bonus action economy can really matter- heck, they changed smite to require a bonus action, so whenever Shamal smites, he loses an attack. For characters that use their bonus action a lot, TWF might not be a great idea. IMO. [/QUOTE]

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