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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9752086" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>They are not increasing at a similar level, the monster DCs are increasing at a slower level.</p><p></p><p>I believe a Terrasque has the highest save in the Monster Manual at DC 27 and that is strength and con which the fighter is proficient in. A Terrasque is near the top end of a high difficulty encounter for a party of 8 20th level PCs.</p><p></p><p>Here are a few single boss monsters that are high difficulty encounter for 8 10th level PCs:</p><p>Balor - DC 20</p><p>Demilich - DC19</p><p>Sphinx of Valor - DC20</p><p>Adult gold Dragon - DC 21</p><p>Dragon Turtle - DC 19</p><p></p><p>So the boss monster DC increased between 6 and 8 over those 10 levels, while the Fighters bonus increased by 10. So the fighter's indomitable bonus is increasing at a faster rate than the DCs even when using the highest DC in the Monster Manual as the metric.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, compared to a +10 for a 10th level fighter. That is not the same mileage.</p><p></p><p>Using two of the monsters above with Strength saves - The 10th level fighter with a 20 strength using Indomitable fails a DC21 Gold Dragon Breath strength save 5% of the time, a Fighter with an 10 strength fails 30% of the time. A 20th level fighter with a a 10 or 20 strength using indomitable never fails the save against a Tarrasque DC27 swallow.</p><p></p><p>The difference would be even more dramatic if we were using something the fighter was not proficient in.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9752086, member: 7030563"] They are not increasing at a similar level, the monster DCs are increasing at a slower level. I believe a Terrasque has the highest save in the Monster Manual at DC 27 and that is strength and con which the fighter is proficient in. A Terrasque is near the top end of a high difficulty encounter for a party of 8 20th level PCs. Here are a few single boss monsters that are high difficulty encounter for 8 10th level PCs: Balor - DC 20 Demilich - DC19 Sphinx of Valor - DC20 Adult gold Dragon - DC 21 Dragon Turtle - DC 19 So the boss monster DC increased between 6 and 8 over those 10 levels, while the Fighters bonus increased by 10. So the fighter's indomitable bonus is increasing at a faster rate than the DCs even when using the highest DC in the Monster Manual as the metric. Yes, compared to a +10 for a 10th level fighter. That is not the same mileage. Using two of the monsters above with Strength saves - The 10th level fighter with a 20 strength using Indomitable fails a DC21 Gold Dragon Breath strength save 5% of the time, a Fighter with an 10 strength fails 30% of the time. A 20th level fighter with a a 10 or 20 strength using indomitable never fails the save against a Tarrasque DC27 swallow. The difference would be even more dramatic if we were using something the fighter was not proficient in. [/QUOTE]
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