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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9752727" data-attributes="member: 7030563">I never said Monks were not weak, I said they did not need to be improved, mostly because they fit the trope well.2014 Monks were VERY weak at low level.  In tier 1 and tier 2 they were the weakest class by a substantial margin.  However in tier 4 they were easily the strongest non-caster class in the 2014 rules.If you look at levels 1-20 as a race between 2014 Fighter, Rogue, Monk and Barbarian (the non casters) they start off with the Barbarian in the lead, the Fighter in 2nd, the Rogue in 3rd and the Monk stuck at the starting line and hardly moving.  As the first three go around the first turn the Fighter passes the Barbarian and the Monk finally gets moving.  Going into the midway point the Rogue passes the Barbaran and the Fighter is still in the lead and the Monk is still last.  Heading into turn 3 the Monk passes the Barbarian and catches up to the Rogue and as they come into the finish line (tier 4) the Monk pulls ahead of the Fighter.This is exactly what a Monk is supposed to be - weaker than everyone else at low levels and growing into the most powerful non-caster.  It is exactly what the fantasy trope and stereotype from the original 1E monk is and that is why I don't think it "needed fixin"I played multiple Monks in 2014 and loved it.  The only Monk I have done so far in 2024 is a 1-level dip on a PC that was mostly a Ranger (I wanted unarmed defense and the ability to do 1d6 with daggers), but I have seen other players play Monks to 20 in 2024 and it does not seem as fun to me as the old Monk was.</blockquote>

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