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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9752959" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Ok, to start with this assumes you make smart choices in play.  Flurry of Blows using 2014 rules is rarely a smart choice after tier 2.  It is situationally effective, usually if an enemy is near death and you can kill him with FOB, but unless that is the case, there are usually better ways to use your ki and usually better ways to use your bonus action.  So if you are spamming FOB at 17th level, then yes your Monk is going to be weak, but you can't help stupid.I've played a ton of 5E to level 20, well over 20 campaigns at this point.  At high levels Monks can pretty much spend ki at will, this combined with proficiency in all saves, evasion and resistance to all damage makes them very effective compared to other non-caster 2014 classes in tier 4.  A Long Death Monk is basically unkillable at high level as they can spend a single ki any time they go to 0 hit points, without using a reaction and that is after the enemy damaged them enough to bring them to 0 and they are usually fighting with resistance to all damage.  Put a 20th level Long Death monk with all their ki up 1V1 against a 2014 Ancient Red Dragon and the Monk wins every time.  Ascendant Dragon, Open Hand and Shadow Monk are usually/often going to win as well.  No other 2014 non-caster is going to do that without either amazingly good ability rolls, heavy and specific magic items or cheese.Other Monk subclasses are not as powerful as Long Death at that level, but all of them are generally more powerful than Fighters, Barbarians or Rogues at that level.  Fighters and Barbarians get destroyed with a single high DC Wisdom, Charisma or Intelligence save (and some Dexterity saves).  Rogues are a little bit better, but need help to be effective and are extremely squishy.</blockquote>

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