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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gladius Legis" data-source="post: 9754656" data-attributes="member: 68748">Yes, they are.7 attacks, 3 of which must be against different enemies. If you are not surrounded by 4 enemies you aren't getting 7 attacks.Magic weapons and feats benefit the Fighter more because they get more attacks to apply that with. Flurry of Blows is unarmed attacks only, so magic weapon damage doesn't apply as often as it would for a Fighter.But seriously, +10.4 from GWF style, +80 from GWM, and +39 from Superiority Dice alone, added to your base 96 = 225.4.The 2014 Monk. Is. A. Joke.Not. Even. Close.Win. Fighter.Fighters have two more ASIs than Monks do. One of those can go to Resilient WIS and they have proficiency in that save, same as the Monk does.Also, Fighters can still use ranged weapons. And are better at using them than Monks are because they get more attacks with them. Monks only get their basic 2 attacks with them.But they're not. 225 on a Battle Master Action Surge. Or maybe give up a couple d12s of damage to hit with more attacks instead and get closer to a slightly lower ceiling.Which is still far and above what a Monk can do.Precision Attack. Trip Attack to set up advantage. Plus more actual attacks to make in a round.Nope. Fighter wins.Again. Multi-target.Nope. 225.And I didn't even include magic weapons in that.Except Fighters have better accuracy.Only when the weapon is nonmagical.And Fighters put whatever the Monk's excuse for one is to shame.Don't care when you can't do anything worthwhile with that move.And no a 60-foot move is not going to help you get surrounded by 4 enemies to get your 7 attacks. Keep in mind you CANNOT move between attacks of Flurry of Blows. That only applies to the Attack action.Attack action + FoB, both rounds: 84 damage, only 2 ki used.Attack action + FoB 1st round, Quivering Palm trigger 2nd round, vs. Legendary Resistance: 97 damage, 4 ki used.So only 13 more damage through 2 rounds, with double the ki used.The 2-round damage may be higher for Quivering Palm in best-case scenario, but at double the ki used. That is not "better."And moreover, it's a "nova" feature that does not trigger until round 2. That sucks. Nova features that can't be used round 1 are useless.Except you took your WHOLE ACTION for it. You didn't just give up Flurry of Blows, you gave up your Attack action. You did literally no damage that round. No, that sucks. You do not understand the concept of action economy in this game. You are out of your depth.Yeah, the Attack action, which is the best thing for a Monk (and any martial) to do roughly 95% of the time.<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlZgdX6-YsE" target="_blank">Colby literally calls it the worst class in the game in one of his videos' descriptors, then says it himself at 2:10 in the video</a>.I don't know why you're so emotionally invested in "proving" the 2014 Monk doesn't suck, when all evidence suggests otherwise, but it's really getting tiresome.</blockquote>

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