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<blockquote data-quote="Delemental" data-source="post: 2576617" data-attributes="member: 5203">Well, a &quot;no action&quot; Spot/Listen is only done as a reative action, as in your DM suddenly asks you to roll a Spot or Listen.&nbsp; Actively doing either is a move action.&nbsp; So if you're trying to set up something where you're out of your initiative and suddenly say, &quot;I make a Spot check, then take a 5-foot step&quot;, it won't work, because you have to use a move action to initiate a Spot check.In either case, however, a &quot;no action&quot; like the 5-foot step and Delay are defined as types of actions in a combat round, albeit ones that take up a negligible amount of time.&nbsp; The definitions of the Spot/Listen skill say that a reactive use of the skill &quot;doesn't take an action&quot;, which is different from &quot;taking a 'no-action'&quot;.The main point in defining &quot;no actions&quot; is to make it clear that in a combat round, on your initiative, that you can undertake these actions and still have your full allotment of standard, move, and free actions in the round.&nbsp; Compare this to using an immediate action, which states that if you use it, it takes up your free action for the round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Delemental, post: 2576617, member: 5203"] Well, a "no action" Spot/Listen is only done as a reative action, as in your DM suddenly asks you to roll a Spot or Listen. Actively doing either is a move action. So if you're trying to set up something where you're out of your initiative and suddenly say, "I make a Spot check, then take a 5-foot step", it won't work, because you have to use a move action to initiate a Spot check. In either case, however, a "no action" like the 5-foot step and Delay are defined as types of actions in a combat round, albeit ones that take up a negligible amount of time. The definitions of the Spot/Listen skill say that a reactive use of the skill "doesn't take an action", which is different from "taking a 'no-action'". The main point in defining "no actions" is to make it clear that in a combat round, on your initiative, that you can undertake these actions and still have your full allotment of standard, move, and free actions in the round. Compare this to using an immediate action, which states that if you use it, it takes up your free action for the round. [/QUOTE]

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