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<blockquote data-quote="Altissimus" data-source="post: 5341049" data-attributes="member: 96125"><p>Wow, dude, SO MUCH angst. Glad to see your constructive style. You made one valid point; the rest was based either on a fallacy due to your inability to read, or on a serious grudge against the world that requires you to be needlessly deconstuctive even to the point of being blindly wrong. </p><p></p><p>So, here's a taste of your own style.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your one valid point. And yes, actually, yes I am. If you're short and slow, you don't get to get out of the way as fast. Um...I'm ok with that.</p><p></p><p>No, I'm not, because a "quick-moving creature" has a base speed of 30 or higher, doesn't it? See rule 6.</p><p></p><p>Ahh, ya got me again! Yes, I forgot to add (just for you) that this doesn't apply to stationery creatures, held creatures, paralyzed creatures, or bipedal creatures with a double leg amputation. But yes, other than that, I'm pretty happy about the fact that as a general rule a really, really, REALLY big creature has a minimum size move. And that's what I was going for when I said things like "10-20' step". </p><p></p><p>No, of course not. Simply in the use of logical grammatical terms, rule 9 obviously supercedes all other rules. See use of the word "any".</p><p></p><p>Ultimately the DM decides these things, but he or she does so within guidelines. By stating the guidelines, one puts parameters on expectations. It is helpful for the players. I am sure that you can see that in some cases two given size creature may need to have different 5-foot step sizes. If you cannot see this, I suggest you re-read the illustrative examples I have already provided, cf a Purple Worm vs a Titan. It should then become...obvious. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. That's because they're large.</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry that you object to a colossal spider that weighs 125 tons and exceeds 64 feet in height having a larger 5-foot step than your gnome. However, I feel that, on behalf of colossal spiders everywhere, that someone needs to stand up for colossal spider rights, even if, while standing up for their rights, they're not actually large enough for the spider to notice.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Good word! Yes, I am. </p><p></p><p>Agreed!</p><p></p><p>Really? Says who? Have you ever seen a colossal spider move? I have (we have a VERY damp house) and I can tell you, that bugger was FAST!</p><p></p><p>Look, dude, you don't HAVE to go with my rules. They're MY house rules, after all. If you don't think something the size of a tower block could manage to *stumble* (let alone <em>step</em>) more than 5-feet, then that's your lookout. Your gnome will be safe in the knowledge that it can step 5-feet away and be quite safe - wait, don't tell me you regard reach as equally unfair to small creatures? You're not a lillputian by any chance are you?</p><p></p><p>Gosh, this is exciting!</p><p></p><p>Gasp!</p><p></p><p>Yes, you got me. Larger, faster creatures will have higher 5-foot steps. I didn't intend for that...no...wait a goddamn-cotton-picking minute! I DID intend for that! Hence me putting in rules 6 and rules 7! Where's the unintended bit again?</p><p></p><p>Incidentally, if you review rule 6, you will see that a creature has to achieve a base speed of 60ft before their 5-foot step increases. That's pretty fast. Yes, it's achievable; but it's not worth designing a build around.</p><p></p><p>Why would a caster want to get bigger?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Um, yes. Are you telling me that a caster who is capable of casting spells to make him gargantuan in size and give himself an enormous base speed isn't capable of rolling a concentration check of 15+spell level?</p><p></p><p>Where?</p><p></p><p>Correctly interpreted. </p><p></p><p>Again, you seem to have an issue with a very large very fast creature out-stepping a not-as-large, not-as-fast creature. You're also to extreme lengths to make your point (I can't imagine the scenario you've just suggested ever happening, especially given that the mage would still be in reach of the creature. Not to mention if the mage was stupid enough to BE in melee range of a very, very large creature, it probably wasn't an intelligent enough mage to cast the buff spells in the first place.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I'm sure you're right, and that these rules will most benefit mages of all people. No, hang on...</p><p></p><p>What? It was never designed to be a spellcaster nerf.</p><p></p><p>So what was the point of your post again?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Altissimus, post: 5341049, member: 96125"] Wow, dude, SO MUCH angst. Glad to see your constructive style. You made one valid point; the rest was based either on a fallacy due to your inability to read, or on a serious grudge against the world that requires you to be needlessly deconstuctive even to the point of being blindly wrong. So, here's a taste of your own style. Your one valid point. And yes, actually, yes I am. If you're short and slow, you don't get to get out of the way as fast. Um...I'm ok with that. No, I'm not, because a "quick-moving creature" has a base speed of 30 or higher, doesn't it? See rule 6. Ahh, ya got me again! Yes, I forgot to add (just for you) that this doesn't apply to stationery creatures, held creatures, paralyzed creatures, or bipedal creatures with a double leg amputation. But yes, other than that, I'm pretty happy about the fact that as a general rule a really, really, REALLY big creature has a minimum size move. And that's what I was going for when I said things like "10-20' step". No, of course not. Simply in the use of logical grammatical terms, rule 9 obviously supercedes all other rules. See use of the word "any". Ultimately the DM decides these things, but he or she does so within guidelines. By stating the guidelines, one puts parameters on expectations. It is helpful for the players. I am sure that you can see that in some cases two given size creature may need to have different 5-foot step sizes. If you cannot see this, I suggest you re-read the illustrative examples I have already provided, cf a Purple Worm vs a Titan. It should then become...obvious. Yes. That's because they're large. I'm sorry that you object to a colossal spider that weighs 125 tons and exceeds 64 feet in height having a larger 5-foot step than your gnome. However, I feel that, on behalf of colossal spiders everywhere, that someone needs to stand up for colossal spider rights, even if, while standing up for their rights, they're not actually large enough for the spider to notice. Good word! Yes, I am. Agreed! Really? Says who? Have you ever seen a colossal spider move? I have (we have a VERY damp house) and I can tell you, that bugger was FAST! Look, dude, you don't HAVE to go with my rules. They're MY house rules, after all. If you don't think something the size of a tower block could manage to *stumble* (let alone [I]step[/I]) more than 5-feet, then that's your lookout. Your gnome will be safe in the knowledge that it can step 5-feet away and be quite safe - wait, don't tell me you regard reach as equally unfair to small creatures? You're not a lillputian by any chance are you? Gosh, this is exciting! [B][/B]Gasp! Yes, you got me. Larger, faster creatures will have higher 5-foot steps. I didn't intend for that...no...wait a goddamn-cotton-picking minute! I DID intend for that! Hence me putting in rules 6 and rules 7! Where's the unintended bit again? Incidentally, if you review rule 6, you will see that a creature has to achieve a base speed of 60ft before their 5-foot step increases. That's pretty fast. Yes, it's achievable; but it's not worth designing a build around. Why would a caster want to get bigger? Um, yes. Are you telling me that a caster who is capable of casting spells to make him gargantuan in size and give himself an enormous base speed isn't capable of rolling a concentration check of 15+spell level? Where? Correctly interpreted. Again, you seem to have an issue with a very large very fast creature out-stepping a not-as-large, not-as-fast creature. You're also to extreme lengths to make your point (I can't imagine the scenario you've just suggested ever happening, especially given that the mage would still be in reach of the creature. Not to mention if the mage was stupid enough to BE in melee range of a very, very large creature, it probably wasn't an intelligent enough mage to cast the buff spells in the first place.) Yes, I'm sure you're right, and that these rules will most benefit mages of all people. No, hang on... What? It was never designed to be a spellcaster nerf. So what was the point of your post again? [/QUOTE]
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