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5 ft. step with surprise standard action?
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<blockquote data-quote="Vigwyn the Unruly" data-source="post: 1680961" data-attributes="member: 20345"><p>Excellent work, looks like you are an old pro at the emphasis game! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p>Seriously, this is why my post above says that this should be adjudicated by individual DMs. For me, I stand by my interpretation, all the while recognizing, however, that you may have a different one. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I'm not suggesting that. Free actions explicitly <em>are</em> allowed.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, I'm not suggesting that. This is a straw man. "Not an action" means that it is an inherent part of doing something else. So, since you get a standard action or move action, and breathing is part of that, of course you can breathe.</p><p></p><p>However, the 5' step does not fall under the rubric of "not an action." Rather, it is "no action," like a delay. Delay and 5' step have specific game mechanics associated with them: a delay is done <em>instead of</em> a standard or move action, and a 5' step is done before, during [i.e., between], or after standard or move actions. In contrast, something that is "not an action" is done as <em>part of</em> an action, and includes things like breathing, maintaining physiological blood pressure, and a ton of other things.</p><p></p><p>OK, I'm now officially a rules lawyer. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vigwyn the Unruly, post: 1680961, member: 20345"] Excellent work, looks like you are an old pro at the emphasis game! ;) Seriously, this is why my post above says that this should be adjudicated by individual DMs. For me, I stand by my interpretation, all the while recognizing, however, that you may have a different one. :) No, I'm not suggesting that. Free actions explicitly [i]are[/i] allowed. Again, I'm not suggesting that. This is a straw man. "Not an action" means that it is an inherent part of doing something else. So, since you get a standard action or move action, and breathing is part of that, of course you can breathe. However, the 5' step does not fall under the rubric of "not an action." Rather, it is "no action," like a delay. Delay and 5' step have specific game mechanics associated with them: a delay is done [i]instead of[/i] a standard or move action, and a 5' step is done before, during [i.e., between], or after standard or move actions. In contrast, something that is "not an action" is done as [i]part of[/i] an action, and includes things like breathing, maintaining physiological blood pressure, and a ton of other things. OK, I'm now officially a rules lawyer. :eek: [/QUOTE]
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