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<blockquote data-quote="Camarath" data-source="post: 1682535" data-attributes="member: 11987"><p>As we have said before the "only" limit is incorrect and is contradicted by the Surprise rules. This is because "only a single move action or standard action" excludes free action which are explictly allowed by the Surprise rules.</p><p> No deffinition of the word during means between. Here are alll of the deffinition in the Oxford English Dictionary pick one that you think fits the sentence and the words use as a preposition.</p><p></p><p>During ('djuarm), vbl. sb. [f. DURE v. + -ing1]</p><p>1. The action of the verb DURE: durtaion</p><p>2. Hardening: induration</p><p></p><p>During, ppl. a. [f. as prec. + ing2]</p><p>That dures; lasting, continuing</p><p></p><p>During ('djuarm), pres. pple. and prep. (conj.)</p><p>1. The pres. pple. DURE v. = enduring, lasting, continuing, was used in Fr. and Eng. in a construction derived from Latin ablative absolute; </p><p>thus L. vita durante, OF. vie druant, Eng. life during, while life endured or endures.</p><p><strong>2. prep. Throughout the whole continuance of; hence, in the course of, in the time of</strong></p><p>3. (conj.) While; until. (Also during that.) Obs. rare [cf. f. durant que, pendant que.]</p><p></p><p>Since during is used as a preposition in the sentence only the bolded deffinition fits. And I see nothing in deffinition 2 that means between.</p><p>Also Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary provides two deffinitions of during (both for the preposition) that may feel less esoteric but still do not mean between.</p><p></p><p>1 : throughout the duration of <swims every day during the summer></p><p>2 : at a point in the course of <was offered a job during a visit to the capital> </p><p></p><p>The plural because one usally has the option taking more than one action in a round not because you can not take a 5ft step during an action.</p><p> The sentence regarding surprise rounds in the Action Types rules directly contradicts the Surprise rules on the issue of Free Actions. It also directly contradicts the 5ft Step rules. Thus since it is not the primary rule source in each case the primary sources over rule the Action Types rules on the issues of whether or not one may make free action and whether or not one may make a 5ft step.</p><p> No because the rule under Action Type state "You can take a move action in place of a standard action." and since on the issue of types of actions and their uses the Action Type rules are the primary rule source one may take a move action in place of the standard action of the Surprise Round. </p><p> Actually this could possibly be the case but since a Surprise Round is a special type of Round rather than a Separate type of ability that shares part of the same name as with Incorporeal touch attacks and Touch attacks I am inclined to think that all the normal rules for Rounds apply to Surprise Rounds unless stated not to.</p><p> Actually you can strike an incorporeal creature with a normal melee weapon but it "can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities". This means you can strike it but you will not inflict any damage.</p><p></p><p>Also some rules are modified by other rules that address that situation more specificly. For example when attacking normally if your attack roll equals or beats the target’s Armor Class, you hit and deal damage but if that target has Damage Reduction or a Miss Chance this may not be the case because the specific rules modify the general rules. This does not that the general rule is wrong just that in certain instances other rules modify its application.</p><p></p><p>I am using this deffinition for the word any (from <a href="http://www.m-w.com/" target="_blank">Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary</a>).</p><p></p><p>3 a : unmeasured or unlimited in amount, number, or extent <any quantity you desire></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Camarath, post: 1682535, member: 11987"] As we have said before the "only" limit is incorrect and is contradicted by the Surprise rules. This is because "only a single move action or standard action" excludes free action which are explictly allowed by the Surprise rules. No deffinition of the word during means between. Here are alll of the deffinition in the Oxford English Dictionary pick one that you think fits the sentence and the words use as a preposition. During ('djuarm), vbl. sb. [f. DURE v. + -ing1] 1. The action of the verb DURE: durtaion 2. Hardening: induration During, ppl. a. [f. as prec. + ing2] That dures; lasting, continuing During ('djuarm), pres. pple. and prep. (conj.) 1. The pres. pple. DURE v. = enduring, lasting, continuing, was used in Fr. and Eng. in a construction derived from Latin ablative absolute; thus L. vita durante, OF. vie druant, Eng. life during, while life endured or endures. [b]2. prep. Throughout the whole continuance of; hence, in the course of, in the time of[/b] 3. (conj.) While; until. (Also during that.) Obs. rare [cf. f. durant que, pendant que.] Since during is used as a preposition in the sentence only the bolded deffinition fits. And I see nothing in deffinition 2 that means between. Also Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary provides two deffinitions of during (both for the preposition) that may feel less esoteric but still do not mean between. 1 : throughout the duration of <swims every day during the summer> 2 : at a point in the course of <was offered a job during a visit to the capital> The plural because one usally has the option taking more than one action in a round not because you can not take a 5ft step during an action. The sentence regarding surprise rounds in the Action Types rules directly contradicts the Surprise rules on the issue of Free Actions. It also directly contradicts the 5ft Step rules. Thus since it is not the primary rule source in each case the primary sources over rule the Action Types rules on the issues of whether or not one may make free action and whether or not one may make a 5ft step. No because the rule under Action Type state "You can take a move action in place of a standard action." and since on the issue of types of actions and their uses the Action Type rules are the primary rule source one may take a move action in place of the standard action of the Surprise Round. Actually this could possibly be the case but since a Surprise Round is a special type of Round rather than a Separate type of ability that shares part of the same name as with Incorporeal touch attacks and Touch attacks I am inclined to think that all the normal rules for Rounds apply to Surprise Rounds unless stated not to. Actually you can strike an incorporeal creature with a normal melee weapon but it "can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities". This means you can strike it but you will not inflict any damage. Also some rules are modified by other rules that address that situation more specificly. For example when attacking normally if your attack roll equals or beats the target’s Armor Class, you hit and deal damage but if that target has Damage Reduction or a Miss Chance this may not be the case because the specific rules modify the general rules. This does not that the general rule is wrong just that in certain instances other rules modify its application. I am using this deffinition for the word any (from [URL=http://www.m-w.com/]Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary[/URL]). 3 a : unmeasured or unlimited in amount, number, or extent <any quantity you desire> [/QUOTE]
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