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<blockquote data-quote="silverwhisper" data-source="post: 6371044" data-attributes="member: 41712">hi folks, thanks for reading! i wanted to address a few points raised.considering that they did a lot that was new in 4e but a significant portion of the fanbase ran screaming for pathfinder--and that the playtest was explicitly an exercise in building an edition with the broadest possible appeal, i'm not sure that criticism is a fair one. if there was one lesson the 4e experience appears to have taught wizards, it's that the game's fans don't actually want such radical changes. for that reason, i don't think they should be criticized for actually listening when fans aren't happy with their product.you won't be thrilled by the fact that mass and single versions of spells still aren't listed together then, either, i suppose? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />i think that the once the decision was made to go with the vancian system and to recapture the feel of earlier editions, they really didn't have much choice. after 4 decades, a lot of spells have become favorites.you know, i think that it would be pretty interesting for WOTC to release an alternate magic system book next year. i'd certainly buy it, considering my personal distaste for vancian.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="silverwhisper, post: 6371044, member: 41712"] hi folks, thanks for reading! i wanted to address a few points raised. considering that they [i]did[/i] a lot that was new in 4e but a significant portion of the fanbase ran screaming for pathfinder--and that the playtest was explicitly an exercise in building an edition with the broadest possible appeal, i'm not sure that criticism is a fair one. if there was one lesson the 4e experience appears to have taught wizards, it's that the game's fans don't actually want such radical changes. for that reason, i don't think they should be criticized for actually listening when fans aren't happy with their product. you won't be thrilled by the fact that mass and single versions of spells still aren't listed together then, either, i suppose? :D i think that the once the decision was made to go with the vancian system and to recapture the feel of earlier editions, they really didn't have much choice. after 4 decades, a lot of spells have become favorites. you know, i think that it would be pretty interesting for WOTC to release an alternate magic system book next year. i'd certainly buy it, considering my personal distaste for vancian. [/QUOTE]

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