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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 3804019" data-attributes="member: 31734">Are there specific rules on a tar pit?  I didn't think there were, but regardless, what rule disallows you stepping out of an entangle?  Doesn't the rule you follow stipulate that the starting square is irrelevant?  This is why I asked about the water, which you must have thought rhetorical.  I'd like you to answer it, please. If he's swimming, of course I do. You don't require a swim check if someone is swimming?  If he's on the edge of a tight rope would you require a balance check?  If he's at the edge of a solid fog, what happens then in your view?  I think your interpretation is trivially negated by such examples. Yes about the assumption, but your conclusion is a non sequitur.  He's everywhere and therefore cannot pick an edge.  A blade barrier that bisects his square, for instance, will affect the character regardless of what point in the square the character stated he was in.</blockquote>