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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 28423" data-attributes="member: 111">Consider this quote (I finally pulled out my PHB)Combat Chapter (Chapter 8)Actions in Combat headingMove-Equivalent sub-heading, paragraph 2 (page 121)The most important thing about this rule is that it clearly states that you can take one 5-foot step if you move no actual distance in a [round.The parenthetical language makes it clear that this is a general rule, not some sort of move-equivalent rule only.&nbsp; This is even clearer than the infamous semi-hidden rule in the Heavy Crossbow description, which does not apply to Heavy Crossbows only.This pretty much does it for me.&nbsp; I don't even see much wiggle room here - a round includes ALL actions in a round - that includes extra partial actions from haste.Some foks STILL seem to be getting caught up in :While that is true, it is also true that:(It then goes on to discuss the special case of the Haste spell giving you an optional partial action)To restate:&nbsp; Typically you can take a 5-foot step with a partial action, but a typical partial action is not the one from the Haste spell.Any doubt I might have had before as to the clarity of the rules is totally wiped away.&nbsp; I now believe the rules are, indeed, pretty clear on this point.&nbsp; (I guess its about time I actually opened up the PHB and read all the rules myself.)Finally, I repeat my earlier statement that actions that &quot;allow&quot; a 5-foot step are not really &quot;permissive&quot; in that that give you a 5-foot step, but rather they allow you to take one IF you haven't moved otherwise or taken another 5-foot step.Now I know that some of you think the rule should be different - and I say more power to you, make a house rule that works for you.&nbsp; I am now very satisfied that the rule in the PHB is clear.edit:&nbsp; Thanks, all, this has been a great debate!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 28423, member: 111"] Consider this quote (I finally pulled out my PHB) Combat Chapter (Chapter 8) Actions in Combat heading Move-Equivalent sub-heading, paragraph 2 (page 121) The most important thing about this rule is that it clearly states that you can take one 5-foot step if you move no actual distance in a [b][i][round[/i][/b]. The parenthetical language makes it clear that this is a general rule, not some sort of move-equivalent rule only. This is even clearer than the infamous semi-hidden rule in the Heavy Crossbow description, which does not apply to Heavy Crossbows only. This pretty much does it for me. I don't even see much wiggle room here - a round includes ALL actions in a round - that includes extra partial actions from haste. Some foks STILL seem to be getting caught up in : While that is true, it is also true that: (It then goes on to discuss the special case of the Haste spell giving you an [b]optional[/b] partial action) To restate: Typically you can take a 5-foot step with a partial action, but a typical partial action is not the one from the Haste spell. Any doubt I might have had before as to the clarity of the rules is totally wiped away. I now believe the rules are, indeed, pretty clear on this point. (I guess its about time I actually opened up the PHB and read all the rules myself.) Finally, I repeat my earlier statement that actions that "allow" a 5-foot step are not really "permissive" in that that give you a 5-foot step, but rather they allow you to take one IF you haven't moved otherwise or taken another 5-foot step. Now I know that some of you think the rule [b][i]should[/i][/b][i][/i] be different - and I say more power to you, make a house rule that works for you. I am now very satisfied that the rule in the PHB is clear. edit: Thanks, all, this has been a great debate! [/QUOTE]

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