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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 29257" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>Let's deal with the OTHER quote on 5-foot steps.</p><p></p><p>Chapter 8 (Combat), Combat Basics, movement, page 117:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now lets recall that the primary feature of a 5-foot step is that it doesn't really "count" as movement, so that AoOs from movement don't apply.</p><p></p><p>Those on the opposite side of this argument from me would like to say that this quote can be ignored because it is refering to AoOs. That argument has no merit.</p><p></p><p>IF</p><p></p><p>An AoO can be avoided if you take ONLY a 5-foot step in a ROUND, and other movement would draw movement-caused AoOs</p><p></p><p>THEN</p><p></p><p>Only one 5-foot move is allowed per round. Somebody actually suggested that you could get two, but the second one would not avoid an AoO. But a move that does not avoid an AoO is NOT a 5-foot move, by definition.</p><p></p><p>To restate:</p><p></p><p>Normally, any movement <strong><em>may</em></strong> draw an AoO.</p><p></p><p>The 5-foot step is an exception to this rule.</p><p></p><p>You avoid an AoO from movement only if <strong><em> all your movement in the round</em></strong> is 5 feet (a 5-foot step).</p><p></p><p>Those three statements seem indisputable to me because they come straight from the rules with no interpretation whatsoever.</p><p></p><p>Taking those statement together, it seems clear that only 1 5-foot step is allowed <strong><em>per round</em></strong>. This precludes the extra partial attack from Haste allowing another 5-foot step. unless, of course, you redefine "round."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 29257, member: 111"] Let's deal with the OTHER quote on 5-foot steps. Chapter 8 (Combat), Combat Basics, movement, page 117: Now lets recall that the primary feature of a 5-foot step is that it doesn't really "count" as movement, so that AoOs from movement don't apply. Those on the opposite side of this argument from me would like to say that this quote can be ignored because it is refering to AoOs. That argument has no merit. IF An AoO can be avoided if you take ONLY a 5-foot step in a ROUND, and other movement would draw movement-caused AoOs THEN Only one 5-foot move is allowed per round. Somebody actually suggested that you could get two, but the second one would not avoid an AoO. But a move that does not avoid an AoO is NOT a 5-foot move, by definition. To restate: Normally, any movement [b][i]may[/i][/b][i][/i] draw an AoO. The 5-foot step is an exception to this rule. You avoid an AoO from movement only if [b][i] all your movement in the round[/i][/b][i][/i] is 5 feet (a 5-foot step). Those three statements seem indisputable to me because they come straight from the rules with no interpretation whatsoever. Taking those statement together, it seems clear that only 1 5-foot step is allowed [b][i]per round[/i][/b][i][/i]. This precludes the extra partial attack from Haste allowing another 5-foot step. unless, of course, you redefine "round." [/QUOTE]
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