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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 34194" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>It’s not that your three quotes are not understood by us. It’s that only one of them talks about the number of “5 foot steps” that can be done in a round.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fine. But, this has NO bearing on how many of them you get.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This has to do with how many times per round you get a free pass out of a threatened area, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. It says what will happen if you move more than 5 feet from a threatened area within a round (assuming no double move).</p><p></p><p>It does NOT say that this 5 foot move is the same as a “5 foot step”. In fact, it quick clearly applies to both 5 foot moves as part of standard movement and 5 foot steps as part of small positional adjustments.</p><p></p><p>So, it has no bearing on how many “5 foot steps” you can take in a round. Just how far you can move in a round and not get AoOed. Two different issues.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the ONLY quote in the book that supports your position. And, it only does it for MEAs since it is in that section. Everything else is an extrapolated conclusion on your part.</p><p></p><p>The AoO quotes have no bearing whatsoever on how many “5 foot steps” that can be taken in a Hasted round. They merely state what they state. That if you move more than 5 foot (not double move) out of a threatened area, you will draw an AoO. No more. No less.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Artoomis. It’s fine that you feel that the rules support you. This last one explicitly does in the case of MEAs. But, it doesn’t for anything else.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And, the rules support your position no more or no less then they do our position. Why? Because the rules are NOT explicit when it comes to multi-action rounds. The only rules that even imply the possible existence of multi-action rounds (since they state until the next action as opposed to the next round) are the ones for Expertise and Power Attack. And, they do not explicitly talk about it either.</p><p></p><p>Every other rule implies single action rounds, solely by their lack of definition of multi-action rounds. If they do not talk about it at all, it indicates that the designers did not think about it when they wrote them. The designers were quite explicit in stating things over and over and over again in many places. But, for this, there is not a single reference that explicitly talks about multi-action rounds. Not one.</p><p></p><p>Hence, every rule is suspect with regard to multi-action rounds since it appears that the designers did not take multi-action rounds into account when creating them.</p><p></p><p>You can extrapolate the MEA rule to indicate how it works (or should work), but that does not mean that the designers even took it into account. Just like I can extrapolate the Expertise and Power Attack rules.</p><p></p><p>It really gets us nowhere though. There really are NO multi-action rules at all, hence, the discussion.</p><p></p><p>But, if you unable to understand that the single MEA rule applies only to itself and that the AoO rules do not apply at all to the number of 5 foot steps possible within a round (only to the amount of distance allowed without an AoO), then there really is nothing more to discuss.</p><p></p><p>Even the Expertise and Power Attack rules apply only to themselves with regard to multi-action rounds and to nothing else. Hence, even they cannot be used to definitively conclude an answer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 34194, member: 2011"] It’s not that your three quotes are not understood by us. It’s that only one of them talks about the number of “5 foot steps” that can be done in a round. Fine. But, this has NO bearing on how many of them you get. This has to do with how many times per round you get a free pass out of a threatened area, do not pass GO, do not collect $200. It says what will happen if you move more than 5 feet from a threatened area within a round (assuming no double move). It does NOT say that this 5 foot move is the same as a “5 foot step”. In fact, it quick clearly applies to both 5 foot moves as part of standard movement and 5 foot steps as part of small positional adjustments. So, it has no bearing on how many “5 foot steps” you can take in a round. Just how far you can move in a round and not get AoOed. Two different issues. This is the ONLY quote in the book that supports your position. And, it only does it for MEAs since it is in that section. Everything else is an extrapolated conclusion on your part. The AoO quotes have no bearing whatsoever on how many “5 foot steps” that can be taken in a Hasted round. They merely state what they state. That if you move more than 5 foot (not double move) out of a threatened area, you will draw an AoO. No more. No less. Artoomis. It’s fine that you feel that the rules support you. This last one explicitly does in the case of MEAs. But, it doesn’t for anything else. And, the rules support your position no more or no less then they do our position. Why? Because the rules are NOT explicit when it comes to multi-action rounds. The only rules that even imply the possible existence of multi-action rounds (since they state until the next action as opposed to the next round) are the ones for Expertise and Power Attack. And, they do not explicitly talk about it either. Every other rule implies single action rounds, solely by their lack of definition of multi-action rounds. If they do not talk about it at all, it indicates that the designers did not think about it when they wrote them. The designers were quite explicit in stating things over and over and over again in many places. But, for this, there is not a single reference that explicitly talks about multi-action rounds. Not one. Hence, every rule is suspect with regard to multi-action rounds since it appears that the designers did not take multi-action rounds into account when creating them. You can extrapolate the MEA rule to indicate how it works (or should work), but that does not mean that the designers even took it into account. Just like I can extrapolate the Expertise and Power Attack rules. It really gets us nowhere though. There really are NO multi-action rules at all, hence, the discussion. But, if you unable to understand that the single MEA rule applies only to itself and that the AoO rules do not apply at all to the number of 5 foot steps possible within a round (only to the amount of distance allowed without an AoO), then there really is nothing more to discuss. Even the Expertise and Power Attack rules apply only to themselves with regard to multi-action rounds and to nothing else. Hence, even they cannot be used to definitively conclude an answer. [/QUOTE]
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