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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 351281" data-attributes="member: 2020">A commentI thought the 50 reasons were humorous.  It was obviously meant in jest - it is difficult to imagine anyone taking any of that seriously.  However, I wish to comment that one of those 50 points is worth a discussion.  Why, indeed, did Gwindor not take the Ring to Mount Doom, and drop it in?  (The obvious answer is:  No story, that's why not.  But I think it's a bit more complicated than that.)  Let us assume that Gandalf finds out Frodo's Ring is the One Ring, as in the book.  Gandalf goes to Isengard for help.  Saruman betrays and imprisons Gandalf.  Gwindor rescues Gandalf.  Now, here is where we diverge from the story, following this alternate line of logic (or dislogic, whichever it is ...)  Gandalf says to Gwindor:  Help me or Sauron is gonna burn your Eyries into ash and your people into well done menu items.  Gwindor agrees, and flies Gandalf to the Shire.  Gandalf and Frodo agree to destroy the Ring.  Gwindor carries Frodo up above the clouds (where, obviously, he cannot be seen.)  Gwindor flies into Mordor.  Gwindor reaches Mount Doom before Sauron - even if he notices Gwindor - can send orcs to guard the Sammath Naur.  Gwindor drops Frodo off at the Sammath Naur.  Frodo destroys the Ring.  Ring is destroyed.  Gwindor and Frodo depart.  Or ...  Sauron had the Sammath Naur guarded, and/or noticed Gwindor in time, so ...  Gwindor reaches Mount Doom, and flies over it.  Frodo takes off Ring.  Frodo drops Ring into cone of Mount Doom, which is filled with magma.  Ring is destroyed.  Gwindor and Frodo depart.  Heh.  Before you poo poo this totally ...  How could Sauron have stopped this attack, even if he had known about it beforehand? (Remember, his Nazgul were up in the Shire, not airborne at the time.)  How would Sauron have even known this attack was coming (his Eye wasn't exactly able to see everything at once!) ?  Why could Frodo not do this?  Why could Gandalf and Frodo not both mount up on Gwindor, so that Gandalf could ensure the job got done (even if he had to throw Frodo in with the Ring) ?  Why could Gwindor not summon an army of eagles, so that if any flying creatures came to stop him, he could blast his way through into Mordor (Mordor had flying critters, but not THAT many flying critters!) ?  Why would this not have been an effective and swift move to put an end to Sauron.  Too chancy?  As if Frodo going through Cirith Ungol was not chancy!  Or, for that matter, Frodo attempting to get into Mordor, period, on foot, not being chancy!  Heh.  Gandalf, you old fool, you goofed!  I must put my 50 reasons why the film FOTR stinks on this thread.  Nothing less will do.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />   I gave the film a 10, but nevermind that!</blockquote>

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